Seeing Ex's 1040

[thomas quinton]

I would like to see my ex-wife's 1040. When we divorced almost 20 years ago, I was employed, she was not. Permanent alimony was assessed on me, and since her lawyer figured I would make a lot of money in the future, he got the annual alimony payment pegged to my income. As a result, I had to provide her with my 1040 every year, which I have done. As a non-worker, she was not required to reciprocate.
But unfortunately, my income has gone down. So has her alimony. She now receives only about $10,000 a year, not enough to live on. She has to be making more money than that, but I am not allowed to know. She has our children sworn to secrecy.
After all these years, I am fed up. I can't put any money away for retirement. It all goes to the ex. Going to court to adjust the alimony will be expensive, and before I try, I would like to see just what her annual income is. Is there any way to access her 1040?

[LdiJ]

Originally Posted by thomas quinton

I would like to see my ex-wife's 1040. When we divorced almost 20 years ago, I was employed, she was not. Permanent alimony was assessed on me, and since her lawyer figured I would make a lot of money in the future, he got the annual alimony payment pegged to my income. As a result, I had to provide her with my 1040 every year, which I have done. As a non-worker, she was not required to reciprocate.
But unfortunately, my income has gone down. So has her alimony. She now receives only about $10,000 a year, not enough to live on. She has to be making more money than that, but I am not allowed to know. She has our children sworn to secrecy.
After all these years, I am fed up. I can't put any money away for retirement. It all goes to the ex. Going to court to adjust the alimony will be expensive, and before I try, I would like to see just what her annual income is. Is there any way to access her 1040?

No, there is no way to access her 1040 without a court order requiring her to give you access to her 1040. The IRS is not permitted to release that information without a release from the taxpayer, and you won't get a release from your ex unless a court orders her to give you a release.

I am a tax professional, so that's an accurate, LEGAL statement.

In addition, if your spousal support was indexed to you income, its also possible that even if you can prove that she has additional income, that it won't change your obligation.

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by LdiJ

No, there is no way to access her 1040 without a court order requiring her to give you access to her 1040. The IRS is not permitted to release that information without a release from the taxpayer, and you won't get a release from your ex unless a court orders her to give you a release.

I am a tax professional, so that's an accurate, LEGAL statement.

In addition, if your spousal support was indexed to you income, its also possible that even if you can prove that she has additional income, that it won't change your obligation.

Even if she were to win the lottery and become a multi-millionaire, that wouldn't change his "obligation" because that's the screwing he gets for the screwing he got, right LD??

And it's erronously called an "obligation" because some idiot judge with too much power "said" it is.

It's really a punitive burden laid on him because men are always at fault when there is a divorce and are expected to support women!!

[LdiJ]

Originally Posted by Bali Hai

Even if she were to win the lottery and become a multi-millionaire, that wouldn't change his "obligation" because that's the screwing he gets for the screwing he got, right LD??

And it's erronously called an "obligation" because some idiot judge with too much power "said" it is.

It's really a punitive burden laid on him because men are always at fault when there is a divorce and are expected to support women!!

Someone winning the lottery and becoming a millionaire would be public knowledge. He wouldn't NEED to see her 1040...and she would probably willingly give up spousal support.

If you don't give up the bitterness Bali, you are going to end up having a heart attack or stroke.

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by LdiJ

Someone winning the lottery and becoming a millionaire would be public knowledge. He wouldn't NEED to see her 1040...and she would probably willingly give up spousal support.

But if she wasn't willing to give up the alimony, she can still legally receive it. I think you're giving her too much credit.

Come on, this man has paid this lazy bum for 20 YEARS for absolutely NOTHING!! Enough is enough already!!

If you don't give up the bitterness Bali, you are going to end up having a heart attack or stroke.

If your wishful thinking comes to fruition I'll let you know!!

[tuffbrk]

Think about it - that's $200k received for doing absolutely nothing. Simply incredible! Divorce's expense is immeasurable when it includes alimony..

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by tuffbrk

Think about it - that's $200k received for doing absolutely nothing. Simply incredible! Divorce's expense is immeasurable when it includes alimony..

I really wish alot more women knew what you know tuffbrk. I'll bet they wouldn't be so apt to believe that alimony is the right thing to do after all when they see enough of their sisters getting their butts burned for life!!

[tuffbrk]

There s/b some sort of obligation on the part of the receiver. Really. I mean, if the payor has to maintain a fiscal responsibility to a party they are divorcing from their lives, then the party receiving the alimony should also have some legally determined obligation to the party paying.

[thedoctorisin]

Originally Posted by tuffbrk

Think about it - that's $200k received for doing absolutely nothing. Simply incredible! Divorce's expense is immeasurable when it includes alimony..

I'm not impressed - I've paid over $350K to date. But by ex-wife isn't content to do absolutely nothing. She has paid me back in constant harassment, visitation denial, calling the police on my relatives when my daughter has a sleepover with them, and so much more. Priceless!

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by thedoctorisin

I'm not impressed - I've paid over $350K to date. But by ex-wife isn't content to do absolutely nothing. She has paid me back in constant harassment, visitation denial, calling the police on my relatives when my daughter has a sleepover with them, and so much more. Priceless!

I feel your pain Bro, but the canned response to your post from every blood sucking woman on this site will be; "Well that's YOUR fault!! YOU married her!!

[VeronicaLodge]

there are bloodsucky women on this website ??? really? i never noticed that.

[LdiJ]

Originally Posted by VeronicaLodge

there are bloodsucky women on this website ??? really? i never noticed that.

As far as Bali is concerned I am one. It doesn't matter that I never collected spousal support or that I even forgave my ex child support when I knew it was not possible for him to pay.

I am one simply because I acknowlege that there are situations (and gender neutral) where spousal support is appropriate.

I am also one because I support the fact that marital assets must be split 50/50.

See, as far as Bali is concerned, no one should ever get spousal support, no matter what he circumstances are, and if someone didn't 100% equally contribute on a financial basis, thoughout the marriage, that they should get squat as far as a property settlement is concerned.

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by LdiJ

As far as Bali is concerned I am one. It doesn't matter that I never collected spousal support or that I even forgave my ex child support when I knew it was not possible for him to pay.

I am one simply because I acknowlege that there are situations (and gender neutral) where spousal support is appropriate.

I am also one because I support the fact that marital assets must be split 50/50.

See, as far as Bali is concerned, no one should ever get spousal support, no matter what he circumstances are, and if someone didn't 100% equally contribute on a financial basis, thoughout the marriage, that they should get squat as far as a property settlement is concerned.

Oh come on LD! You are certainly NOT gender neutral and I have pointed this out time and again!

You believe that alimony for the wife is a given (especially if the wife has had kids) unless there are factors not to award it. Actually having kids is NOT a factor for courts to consider an alimony award in ALL 50 States! So right there you are NOT gender neutral because men can't physically have kids!

I believe that alimony should never be awarded except in the most extreme of cases. But I will point out cases that alimony seeking men bring to this forum where the same logic is used by courts in past alimony awards to women just to show people like you how absurd it is!!

I have NEVER said that marital assets should not be split 50/50, but again will point out how "equitable distribution" applied by the courts could favor men as well as women!!

I'm sure you would like my input to just go away so you could give your one-sided advice without being challanged!!