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Old 10-21-2009, 10:51 AM
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failure to stop at the direction of a peace officer


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I was in my car on a public street, surfing the web. A police approached I was asked for ID. I gave him my driver's license, he looked at the applications i was using on my computer, which was skype. He said he wanted me not to return, at which I said, "have i broken any law?" he said probably not but not to return anyway. I said 'Well, if I haven't broken any law, I don't see why I should have to promise to not return" At that point he said he would call the owner of the apartment building adjacent and have me arrested for trespassing. At which point I pointed out that there was no signs, or any indications that I was trespassing in anyway. I drove up along the side of his vehicle and said..."this is ridiculous" he said 'you are under detainment" , I said..."you have to either arrest me or let me go" he repeated..."you are under detainment" and i repeated "you have to either arrest me or let me go" and at that point i slowly drove away. He turned on his lights and followed. I immediately stopped and got out..i was ordered to lay on the ground in the mud, a gun was put to my head, and I was brutally handcuffed and thrown in the back of a police car. I stayed there until i was released with some state troopers on location. I asked the state troopers to take my false arrest charge, and they told me to go to the local police station. I did and filed a police brutality charge. I was refused access to the police tapes, with them saying "it would be a violation of the rights of a state employee." I informed the major of North Pole. I then had to leave alaska on business/vacation and family issues. I continued to call the mayor's office to see what had happened with my case, he said nothing. I later found out from my renter that about 2 months after the incident and the filing of the police brutality/false arrest charge, two police came by my house with a summons to appear. I called the state and found out it was for "Failure to stop at the direction of a peace officer" which is a class A misdemeanor with up to 1 year in jail and $10000.
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Old 10-21-2009, 10:57 AM
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maybe i missed it, but did you have a legal question?
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:02 AM
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maybe i missed it, but did you have a legal question?
I think our OP was just pointing out that one should obey the lawful orders of a police officer. He didn't and now he's been charged.
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Old 10-21-2009, 11:19 AM
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I think our OP was just pointing out that one should obey the lawful orders of a police officer. He didn't and now he's been charged.
ah!! a lecture...at 8am. before i've had my coffee!








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Old 10-21-2009, 12:06 PM
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I think our OP was just pointing out that one should obey the lawful orders of a police officer. He didn't and now he's been charged.
I thought he was providing us with an example of the consequences we can expect to suffer when using the Skype application to surf the net while in a vehicle.

Pretty scary too,,,, seeing as that is exactly how I had planned on spending my day,,,,
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:08 PM
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I thought he was providing us with an example of the consequences we can expect to suffer when using the Skype application to surf the net while in a vehicle.

Pretty scary too,,,, seeing as that is exactly how I had planned on spending my day,,,,
uh huh...maria?
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:11 PM
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to answer the nice lady's question


I want to know if i have broken a law. It would seem to me that when I said ...
"either arrest me or let me go" it would be his obligation to inform me that if I did leave i would be put under arrest. We always see this on TV.."either arrest me or i am out of here"
Also...how long can a summons be out there?
and what is the best way for me to handle this situation being that I am out of state?
And is there further repercussions for this retaliation for my filing a police brutality charge?
What about a quick trial?
any other comments or advice would be greatly appreciated
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:13 PM
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I want to know if i have broken a law. It would seem to me that when I said ...
"either arrest me or let me go" it would be his obligation to inform me that if I did leave i would be put under arrest. We always see this on TV.."either arrest me or i am out of here"
Also...how long can a summons be out there?
and what is the best way for me to handle this situation being that I am out of state?
And is there further repercussions for this retaliation for my filing a police brutality charge?
What about a quick trial?
any other comments or advice would be greatly appreciated
LOL!!! you watch too much TV. dude.....seriously, by your own words, he said "you are under detainment". that means, wait for it.....detained!!!
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:27 PM
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LOL!!! you watch too much TV. dude.....seriously, by your own words, he said "you are under detainment". that means, wait for it.....detained!!!
possibly i watch too much tv...
but the 4th amendment states that there has to be probable cause...the police officer had already determined that that wasn't the case..
can we get past the poking fun state and get to the issues please?
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:34 PM
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possibly i watch too much tv...
but the 4th amendment states that there has to be probable cause...the police officer had already determined that that wasn't the case..
can we get past the poking fun state and get to the issues please?
What issue? You were trying to rely on your vast legal knowledge gained from watching COPS and Real Stories of the Highway Patrol and you found out it was wrong.
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:37 PM
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possibly i watch too much tv...
but the 4th amendment states that there has to be probable cause...the police officer had already determined that that wasn't the case..
can we get past the poking fun state and get to the issues please?
you were given an instruction by a police officer. you chose not to listen. you "fled".

you don't get to decide what is or is not probable cause. a court does.

you will need to contact a lawyer where the ticket was issued. or attend court on the hearing date. you don't handle this, and you could end up with a warrant. it will get messy.
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:38 PM
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What issue? You were trying to rely on your vast legal knowledge gained from watching COPS and Real Stories of the Highway Patrol and you found out it was wrong.
bummer, i thought it was from Law & Order. i actually recall some mention that they CAN detain you for up to an hour....but that's TV land....
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:51 PM
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you were given an instruction by a police officer. you chose not to listen. you "fled".

you don't get to decide what is or is not probable cause. a court does.

you will need to contact a lawyer where the ticket was issued. or attend court on the hearing date. you don't handle this, and you could end up with a warrant. it will get messy.
let me get this straight...the court decides what is probable cause...so... if they decide there wasn't any offense committed originally, then there wasn't probable cause to detain me?
this was clearly a case where i had been checked out for any "probable cause" and then in a retaliatory response to my refusal to submit to an unlawful demand, was detained
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:55 PM
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let me get this straight...the court decides what is probable cause...so... if they decide there wasn't any offense committed originally, then there wasn't probable cause to detain me?
this was clearly a case where i had been checked out for any "probable cause" and then in a retaliatory response to my refusal to submit to an unlawful demand, was detained
it should be noted that i neither "fled" when i was asked for my id, nor "fled" when the police turned on their lights. clearly that showed i had no intention of fleeing
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Old 10-21-2009, 12:58 PM
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it should be noted that i neither "fled" when i was asked for my id, nor "fled" when the police turned on their lights. clearly that showed i had no intention of fleeing
yes you did. you fled.

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I drove up along the side of his vehicle and said..."this is ridiculous" he said 'you are under detainment" , I said..."you have to either arrest me or let me go" he repeated..."you are under detainment" and i repeated "you have to either arrest me or let me go" and at that point i slowly drove away.
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