Help !!

[franky22]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law) New York

This is in NY Upstate

My son who is a great kid - he is 18, went out the other night and two other kids 15 years old took a snow mobile without the owners consent and rode it with him:

I have always taught him high standards and morals and he has not been in trouble before and without apportioning blame, he just was in the wrong place at the wrong time and subsequently got charged with Grand Larceny in the 4th and Criminal Mischief in the 3rd:

I am worried sick - he is a green card holder - permanent resident of the USA without condition but I know there are conditions that they could deport or start deport proceedings in cases where permanent residents commit offences of certain nature - can they?

However I had to bail him out - such a traumatic time last night at 3am, and had to pay $1000 for each offense - Total $2000:

He is set to appear on Thursday next week 1/8/09 in Court at 9am and then the same day for the other charge in another court at 10-30am - how he can be on time at both I do not know:

I have no lawyer and do not know how the process works, and I cannot afford thousands of dollars for a Lawyer right now.

Someone said I get my bail money back on Thursday but I have read maybe not until the end of the case?

I really am at a loss what to do with no resources or advice - I want it finished with and how would I plea bargain?..on the day with the DA?
How would I get the charges reduced or would I plead not guilty for him?

I am worried sick and have nowhere to turn.....I am sorry to have to ask

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by franky22

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law) New York

This is in NY Upstate

My son who is a great kid - he is 18, went out the other night and two other kids 15 years old took a snow mobile without the owners consent and rode it with him:

So, your great ADULT son hangs out with children and steals snowmobiles...

I have always taught him high standards and morals and he has not been in trouble before

Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have stuck. And, I'm pretty sure you meant to say "He's never been caught before."

and without apportioning blame, he just was in the wrong place at the wrong time and subsequently got charged with Grand Larceny in the 4th and Criminal Mischief in the 3rd:

He CHOSE to be in that place at that time (with full knowledge)

I am worried sick - he is a green card holder - permanent resident of the USA without condition but I know there are conditions that they could deport or start deport proceedings in cases where permanent residents commit offences of certain nature - can they?

However I had to bail him out

Wjy did you HAVE to bail him out?

- such a traumatic time last night at 3am, and had to pay $1000 for each offense - Total $2000:

Yep, that's what happens to criminals

He is set to appear on Thursday next week 1/8/09 in Court at 9am and then the same day for the other charge in another court at 10-30am - how he can be on time at both I do not know:

His lawyer will fix that.

I have no lawyer and do not know how the process works, and I cannot afford thousands of dollars for a Lawyer right now.

That's ok - it's not YOU who needs the attorney. Sonny boy can have one appointed for him.

Someone said I get my bail money back on Thursday but I have read maybe not until the end of the case?

I really am at a loss what to do with no resources or advice - I want it finished with and how would I plea bargain?..on the day with the DA?
How would I get the charges reduced or would I plead not guilty for him?

His attorney will work on that with him.

[CourtClerk]

This same post has been posted 5 times already....

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by CourtClerk

This same post has been posted 5 times already....

Dang, I missed that.

[franky22]

I only meant to post it once...it only shows up once in my browser.....

anyone know about green cards and what happens when you commit a crime on one?

[franky22]

Originally Posted by Zigner

So, your great ADULT son hangs out with children and steals snowmobiles...


Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to have stuck. And, I'm pretty sure you meant to say "He's never been caught before."

He CHOSE to be in that place at that time (with full knowledge)


Wjy did you HAVE to bail him out?

Yep, that's what happens to criminals


His lawyer will fix that.


That's ok - it's not YOU who needs the attorney. Sonny boy can have one appointed for him.


His attorney will work on that with him.

I love your sarcastic answers..very helpful thanks

[FlyingRon]

You need to appropriate some blame. Adults don't steal other people's property.
Your son is in deep trouble (with the law). A lawyer is 100% necessary. Since the child is an adult and probably lacks any income, he probably qualifies for a public defender for the criminal charges. INS issues, you're on your own.

If he is convicted of the felonies he can go to jail. At the end of his sentence he can be deported. You need to deal with the criminal charges first.

As for the bail, it depends what you paid. If you paid bail to the court, then you should get it back once all the appearances are taken care of (not just the next one). If it was the fee to a bondsman for putting up a larger bail, you'll NEVER get that back.

[franky22]

Originally Posted by FlyingRon

You need to appropriate some blame. Adults don't steal other people's property.
Your son is in deep trouble (with the law). A lawyer is 100% necessary. Since the child is an adult and probably lacks any income, he probably qualifies for a public defender for the criminal charges. INS issues, you're on your own.

If he is convicted of the felonies he can go to jail. At the end of his sentence he can be deported. You need to deal with the criminal charges first.

As for the bail, it depends what you paid. If you paid bail to the court, then you should get it back once all the appearances are taken care of (not just the next one). If it was the fee to a bondsman for putting up a larger bail, you'll NEVER get that back.

It is his first offence and as I see it probation would be the option by the judge for a first time offender?
Can we get the Grand Larceny charge reduced to a misdemeaner by plea bargain?
He also got charged with criminal mischeif - is this a felony too?
I paid cash for the bail myself:
I blame him yes...he was stupid..we know that:
I need advice on how to solve this and not people telling me what I already know that he is an adult and he was stupid and should not steal other peoples property - I know all this...
I appreciate your answers

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by franky22

It is his first offence and as I see it probation would be the option by the judge for a first time offender?
Can we get the Grand Larceny charge reduced to a misdemeaner by plea bargain?
He also got charged with criminal mischeif - is this a felony too?
I paid cash for the bail myself:
I blame him yes...he was stupid..we know that:
I need advice on how to solve this and not people telling me what I already know that he is an adult and he was stupid and should not steal other peoples property - I know all this...
I appreciate your answers

I would suggest that you tell your son to speak to his attorney.

It's really not a difficult concept. YOU can't help him. It's time for him to grow up.

[CourtClerk]

"We" can't plea bargain down to anything. He's an adult, he got himself into this. Let him get himself out, or you'll be bailing him out more times than you wish.

Hire him an attorney. If you can't afford to, then let him go to court and ask for a public defender.

[franky22]

Originally Posted by CourtClerk

"We" can't plea bargain down to anything. He's an adult, he got himself into this. Let him get himself out, or you'll be bailing him out more times than you wish.

Hire him an attorney. If you can't afford to, then let him go to court and ask for a public defender.

Look I am looking for advice not sarcasm...When I said WE - you know what I mean....CAN SOMEONE- ANYONE - A DEFENDER plea bargain with the court or DA to a lesser charge in this case for EXAMPLE is what I am asjking..I thought this forum was for advice..I seem to be getting...tell him to doit himself tell him to get a lawyer..tell him to grow up tell him this....Whats the point of a forum if your going to say all this?
I need advice in a humanaitarian way not a excuse to bash or be confrontational or find ways to be inconstructive GEEZ

[CourtClerk]

If the DA is willing to listen to a plea, then maybe they can make one for your little deviant angel who never does anything. However, with that attitude, I would doubt seriously they would be willing to talk to him. Afterall, once he pleas, he'll have to admit he did something wrong past "I was with the wrong people at the wrong time, they did it all and I did nothing but ride a snow mobile."

[Zigner]

Originally Posted by franky22

Look I am looking for advice not sarcasm...When I said WE - you know what I mean....CAN SOMEONE- ANYONE - A DEFENDER plea bargain with the court or DA to a lesser charge in this case for EXAMPLE is what I am asjking..I thought this forum was for advice..I seem to be getting...tell him to doit himself tell him to get a lawyer..tell him to grow up tell him this....Whats the point of a forum if your going to say all this?
I need advice in a humanaitarian way not a excuse to bash or be confrontational or find ways to be inconstructive GEEZ

GEEZ - you are getting the legal REALITY!
This is NOT your fight. Your son will need to speak to HIS attorney. It's really not a difficult concept...

[franky22]

Originally Posted by CourtClerk

If the DA is willing to listen to a plea, then maybe they can make one for your little deviant angel who never does anything. However, with that attitude, I would doubt seriously they would be willing to talk to him. Afterall, once he pleas, he'll have to admit he did something wrong past "I was with the wrong people at the wrong time, they did it all and I did nothing but ride a snow mobile."

I do not know what side of the bed you got out of today or whether you are just generally a rude person?
Probably the latter....I have not called anyone names but you see fit to say deviant and other names and also misquote me and seem to know a lot more about my son than me - its people like you that make life hard for others - we are SUPPOSED to help each other in actions and words but all you are doing is being confrontational and rude..thank you dear brother...let me ask you a question...why would YOU call someone black?
I have NEVER EVER been able to fathom what the difference is between a human being who has a different color pigmented skin that white...other than the color of the pigment there is no human structural difference....NONE...but perhaps you have a smart reply to that one?
If your a court clerk then you should help others not be confrontational and rude...this country is NOT the land of the free as you make it out to be in actual fact it is the MOST constrictive corrupt country in the WORLD...answer that one

[franky22]

Originally Posted by Zigner

GEEZ - you are getting the legal REALITY!
This is NOT your fight. Your son will need to speak to HIS attorney. It's really not a difficult concept...

Another stupid response - your son needs to speak to an attourney....WE KNOW THAT !!
I am asking here for advice based on the charges and circumstances and all I am getting is this kind of nonsense...what is this forum REALLY for?
To help or to hinder or perhaps not to answer the subject and find ways to aggravate someone?