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Old 02-17-2005, 10:56 PM
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Hi everyone in the FreeAdvice Forum.

Recently, i bought a parking permit from a poster that i saw at my university. When i bought the permit for $150, i used it for 2 weeks, thinking that it was real. 2 weeks goes by, and i get a call from a detective from my school's public safety dept. saying that my car had been towed and the detective questioned me if i knew anything about it. i had to go to the parking lot to get my car back, and when i got there, i noticed that the parking pass had been removed from my car, which means that the police officer at my school broke into my car somehow. is this a legal procedure? i wasn't notified about the situation until my car was in the towed parking lot and the pass was removed. Obviously, i was upset because i had been duped by this person for $150, (the value of the pass if bought from school is $330). Anyways, the investigator has been interrogating me and demanding me that if i don't find any proof to back me up, i will be charged for this offense. she has been threatening me that this will go to court. I bought it with a money order, and sent it out, and don't have any e-mails in my inbox because i don't keep anything that i don't use anymore. i was wondering what i should do with my situation. I really need help quickly, because i'm supposed to issue a statement by tomorrow when i have an appt. with the detective. should i bring a lawyer into this, or do you think it is unnecessary. the dept is being ridiculous, i said that i would even buy the $330 pass to counter the whole duplicated pass deal. right now i was billed $85 for towing, $100 for illegal use of pass and wasted $150 on a fake pass. What should i do?
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:25 PM
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I really do not know what to say to you. I'm laughing, yet thinking,"At least he is in school"

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Old 02-17-2005, 11:28 PM
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Thanks for laughing at me. Very helpful comment. Please, from now on, i need only serious replies.
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Old 02-18-2005, 12:36 AM
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What is the name of your state?PENNSYLVANIA

Hi everyone in the FreeAdvice Forum.

Recently, i bought a parking permit from a poster that i saw at my university. When i bought the permit for $150, i used it for 2 weeks, thinking that it was real. But it wasn't, and you did not check it out.

2 weeks goes by, and i get a call from a detective from my school's public safety dept. saying that my car had been towed and the detective questioned me if i knew anything about it. i had to go to the parking lot to get my car back, and when i got there, i noticed that the parking pass had been removed from my car, which means that the police officer at my school broke into my car somehow. is this a legal procedure? i wasn't notified about the situation until my car was in the towed parking lot and the pass was removed. Obviously, i was upset because i had been duped by this person for $150, (the value of the pass if bought from school is $330). Anyways, the investigator has been interrogating me and demanding me that if i don't find any proof to back me up, i will be charged for this offense. she has been threatening me that this will go to court. I bought it with a money order, and sent it out, and don't have any e-mails in my inbox because i don't keep anything that i don't use anymore. i was wondering what i should do with my situation. I really need help quickly, because i'm supposed to issue a statement by tomorrow when i have an appt. with the detective. should i bring a lawyer into this, or do you think it is unnecessary. Not necessary, just pay the fine and don't buy bogus parking passes in the fiture.

the dept is being ridiculous, i said that i would even buy the $330 pass to counter the whole duplicated pass deal. right now i was billed $85 for towing, $100 for illegal use of pass and wasted $150 on a fake pass. What should i do?
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Old 02-18-2005, 12:07 PM
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Okay sorry, let me clarify you. Because i don't have any evidence that i bought it from this person, the detective at the school is telling me that this could go to court. i'm not worried about the fine, i'm worrying about this going on my record AND going to court for something i didn't have criminal intentions in the first place. do they have the ability to take me to city court, or at least the judicial court at school for something like this? it says in our handbook that if we get caught with a duplicated pass it's a $100 fine, and then in small print below that it says that this is a criminal offense and may be prosecuted for. do you understand my situation better now?
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Old 02-18-2005, 05:51 PM
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For starters, what are they threatening to charge you with? I can't think of any applicable criminal law that covers this situation, except maybe Theft of Services, but I think that's a bit of a stretch.

Secondly, if you paid by money order, do you have the receipt? If so, you should be able to contact the MO company (or bank, post office, etc) where you bought it and have it traced for a small fee. If it was cashed, which I'm sure it was, you should be able to receive a copy showing the signature used to endorse it along with the person's info that you wrote on the front.
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Old 02-18-2005, 06:25 PM
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For starters, what are they threatening to charge you with? I can't think of any applicable criminal law that covers this situation, except maybe Theft of Services, but I think that's a bit of a stretch.

Secondly, if you paid by money order, do you have the receipt? If so, you should be able to contact the MO company (or bank, post office, etc) where you bought it and have it traced for a small fee. If it was cashed, which I'm sure it was, you should be able to receive a copy showing the signature used to endorse it along with the person's info that you wrote on the front.
I guess that's what they are trying to charge me with. I went to the grocery store where i bought it from, which wasn't a bank, it was an actual grocery store, and they told me they don't keep records of the money orders that are purchased. the whole thing is that they don't believe that i bought the pass with someone because i don't have any kind of paper evidence.
I'm thinking they are trying to charge me with forgery. the detective threatened me that i would be held accountable if i wasn't able to give them proof. this lady has been really awful and i can't believe they are making this huge deal out of it. i apologized but i didn't even know it was a fake. i also told them that i would buy the $330 pass legitamately from the school, the pass that would have enabled me to park legally at school. i don't know, any other opinions on this?
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Old 02-18-2005, 06:55 PM
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Okay sorry, let me clarify you. Because i don't have any evidence that i bought it from this person, the detective at the school is telling me that this could go to court. i'm not worried about the fine, i'm worrying about this going on my record AND going to court for something i didn't have criminal intentions in the first place. do they have the ability to take me to city court, or at least the judicial court at school for something like this? it says in our handbook that if we get caught with a duplicated pass it's a $100 fine, and then in small print below that it says that this is a criminal offense and may be prosecuted for. do you understand my situation better now?

Umm.. your a college student who made a mistake, Detectives lie all the time to scare you and to get info from you. you'll be alpped with a fine.
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Old 02-19-2005, 11:50 AM
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I have no problem paying the fine, but i just didn't want to go to court for this. That's basically the question i was asking everyone on this forum, if you guys thought that she would take this to court. In the event that she does, would it be necessary for me to get a lawyer?
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Old 02-19-2005, 12:09 PM
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If you park without a permit, then you are guilty of parking without a permit.

Pay the fine.
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:19 PM
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it's not that i parked without a permit, it's that i parked with a FORGED permit
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Old 02-19-2005, 01:21 PM
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So.... why do you think you should not be prosecuted for that? Since you can't apparently prove that you didn't forge the permit?
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Old 02-19-2005, 02:00 PM
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it's not that i parked without a permit, it's that i parked with a FORGED permit
Yes, that is exactly what I said:

If you park without a permit, then you are guilty of parking without a permit.

Pay the fine.

But, if you insist:

If you park with a forged permit, then you are guilty of parking with a forged permit.

Pay the fine.

Look at what your defense is: Recently, i bought a parking permit from a poster that i saw at my university. When i bought the permit for $150, i used it for 2 weeks, thinking that it was real.

This is like the "phantom driver" defense in drunk driving cases: It wasn't me that was driving, it was some other guy who I do not know and after we wrecked, he ran off, but not before he pulled me behind the wheel where I passed out.
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Judgy, Am I going to get billed for this as well?
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