shoplifting

[Medetron]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law) New York

Hi, first off i would like to say thank you for any response i get in dealing with this matter. i worked for a small toy store in new york, and one day got feed up with the job and decided to get even with the owner by taking some items from the store. (not the best idea in mankind i can say that) and was cought stealing by him. he called the cops and had me arrested, i went to the precent where i had my fingerprints taken and now i have to appear to court sometime in January. i was charged with pl 1654000, this is my first offense EVER and ONLY brushing with the law. I'm an honest person who has done community service for a few years now and even do the walking for aids event a few years in a row now . I'm not saying what i did was honest or the best action to take but needless to say i did it and now paying with the consequences that follow. since this is my first offense is there anything i can do to have the charges drop or dismissed. someone mention to me going after what is called a Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal. but not completely sure what that is. any advice is greatly appreciated thank you.

[dj09]

the program you mentioned is called Deferred Adjudication (not sure how to spell it) after you're done with that (it's like a 6 months-1 years probation) they will dismiss your case and you can ask them to "seal" the thing and it will be like it never happened before. ONE THING TO REMEMBER: those like the FBI or .... can still look it up, but from future job - you're cool.

If you are convicted or get the case downgraded or something like that after a 5 years period, you can have it expunged from your record and you are as pure as a baby

Those are what I got from my lawyer as I'm dealing with my case right now (class B misdemeanor shoplifting)

Another thing is that in here there are a lot of a***oles only waiting to give you some moral lessons not advices, DON'T let them make you feel LESS THAN or EMBARRASSED about yourself (quoted my lawyer "being a bigger LOSER than you actually are")

Remember: >90% of Americans shoplift at some point in their life
and "when people do things that because of themselves, when you, yourself, do things, that because of the situation"

[Medetron]

Originally Posted by dj09

the program you mentioned is called Deferred Adjudication (not sure how to spell it) after you're done with that (it's like a 6 months-1 years probation) they will dismiss your case and you can ask them to "seal" the thing and it will be like it never happened before. ONE THING TO REMEMBER: those like the FBI or .... can still look it up, but from future job - you're cool.

If you are convicted or get the case downgraded or something like that after a 5 years period, you can have it expunged from your record and you are as pure as a baby

Those are what I got from my lawyer as I'm dealing with my case right now (class B misdemeanor shoplifting)

Another thing is that in here there are a lot of a***oles only waiting to give you some moral lessons not advices, DON'T let them make you feel LESS THAN or EMBARRASSED about yourself (quoted my lawyer "being a bigger LOSER than you actually are")

Remember: >90% of Americans shoplift at some point in their life
and "when people do things that because of themselves, when you, yourself, do things, that because of the situation"

THANK YOU so much sir, and yes i was a bit afraid about posting here as some fellow peers tend to give a hesty "moral talking" about "ethics" and other things. i was told about Adjournment in Contemplation of Dismissal but not familer about Deferred Adjudication. if i plea guilty and go for Deferred Adjudication program, i read that it still shows up as a guilty conviction on your recordes. also i dont find new york on the list for states that concur with Deferred Adjudication. ONE more question to ask my fellow peers, i heard that pleaing no contest is much better then pleaing guilty. any advice?

[Peligroso27]

Originally Posted by dj09

the program you mentioned is called Deferred Adjudication (not sure how to spell it) after you're done with that (it's like a 6 months-1 years probation) they will dismiss your case and you can ask them to "seal" the thing and it will be like it never happened before. ONE THING TO REMEMBER: those like the FBI or .... can still look it up, but from future job - you're cool.

If you are convicted or get the case downgraded or something like that after a 5 years period, you can have it expunged from your record and you are as pure as a baby

Those are what I got from my lawyer as I'm dealing with my case right now (class B misdemeanor shoplifting)

Another thing is that in here there are a lot of a***oles only waiting to give you some moral lessons not advices, DON'T let them make you feel LESS THAN or EMBARRASSED about yourself (quoted my lawyer "being a bigger LOSER than you actually are")

Remember: >90% of Americans shoplift at some point in their life
and "when people do things that because of themselves, when you, yourself, do things, that because of the situation"

It takes a little more than just asking for a sealed record. You will need a lawyer for that process. It would be foolhardy to pay attention to this advice and minimize the damage this is going to have on your life.

[dj09]

of course he needs a lawyer... duhhhh definitely, absolutely, obviously need one

I'm just trying to make it a little simple to comfort the guy, u know...

and actually, a "seal" is just a band-aid solution. What he needs is an expungement, if possible

anyway, talk to as many lawyers as you can to see your options

& good luck

[Peligroso27]

Originally Posted by dj09

of course he needs a lawyer... duhhhh definitely, absolutely, obviously need one

I'm just trying to make it a little simple to comfort the guy, u know...

and actually, a "seal" is just a band-aid solution. What he needs is an expungement, if possible

anyway, talk to as many lawyers as you can to see your options

& good luck

I would like to see your reasoning behind this explanation. You seem to have little if any grasp of the law at all.

[cyjeff]

I would also like to see the statistical basis for the statement "greater than 90% of all people shoplift".

Shoplifting costs retailers somewhere in the neighborhood of $15 Billion dollars a year. This money is passed down to each and every one of us in the form of higher costs.

You make it sound like shoplifting is some sort of noble endeavor. A right of passage that all children must do.

I wonder how you would feel if the stuff being stolen belonged to YOU? Would you demand they be shot after drawn and quartering?

People that shoplift are thieves. No more, no less. The first time you get caught is also, statistically speaking, usually not the first time you have ever shoplifted either.

One last point. Out side of the criminal record we are playing with, let's not forget the National Theft Database... a database set up by retailers to make sure they don't hire thieves...

I wouldn't plan on a job in retail for either of you... or for any company that subscribes to the database.

[Antigone*of*Greece]

Also, be on the look-out for a hefty civil penalty (could be hundreds) that you WILL be accountable for. - that is the legal bit


My thanks to you and all the shoplifters out there for the increase in consumer prices that your arrogance and self-entitilement has forced upon me and the other honest citizens that's my moral piece.

You want to leave morality out of it, stay off a FREE advice forum and PAY for a defense atttorney.

take care, ana

[Medetron]

Thanks for those who actually gave some advice, not here to get justify what i did just here for some FREE ADVICE. a real lawyer doesnt care if his client is guilty or not all he cares is about getting paid and doing his job. leave your ego and sense of telling what a bad person is at the door, thank you. oh and the person above me needs to get a life and stop thread craping.