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Old 02-16-2005, 12:08 PM
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Taped recordings


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While in jail all outgoing calls are recorded. Can these calls be used against you if there is no warrant issued for your calls. I cannot find a case of yes or no anywhere. Surely someone has questioned this before?
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:11 PM
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How much privacy were you expecting in jail?

Last edited by OhBullship; 02-16-2005 at 12:13 PM. Reason: I hope no one saw that
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:18 PM
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The right to discuss my case. I did implicate myself but I want to know if this can be used against me with no other corrobaration
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:26 PM
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Were you talking with your lawyer, or bettyLou from the trailer park?
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Old 02-16-2005, 12:56 PM
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Q: Can these calls be used against you if there is no warrant issued for your calls.

A: Yes. No warrant is required because there is no search.
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Old 02-16-2005, 10:23 PM
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"I did implicate myself but I want to know if this can be used against me with no other corrobaration"

Sure, it's called a confession.
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Old 02-17-2005, 09:15 AM
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"I did implicate myself but I want to know if this can be used against me with no other corrobaration"

Sure, it's called a confession.
A confession without corroboration isn't very useful though.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:50 AM
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Even if it cannot be used against him it can be used against the person he was talking with, can't it?

I'm still learning and I mess up occasionally. If he was discussing it with a friend, couldn't his friend be forced to testify about what was said? If the friend lies, couldn't the tape be proof of perjury?
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:02 AM
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Q: Even if it cannot be used against him it can be used against the person he was talking with, can't it?
A: No one said it couldn't be used against him and yes it can be used against the other person.

Q: If he was discussing it with a friend, couldn't his friend be forced to testify about what was said?
A: I am unaware of any method that would be successful to make a person testify. All a witness has to say is, "I don't remember" and that's the end of that.

Q: If the friend lies, couldn't the tape be proof of perjury?
A: If the friend lies on the stand under oath, then the tape could be used to impeach his credibility (fancy lawyer talk for "you're a liar") AND possibly for a perjury charge (if it was a material lie; read the perjury statutes).
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:08 AM
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Thanks

If he had been talking with his lawyer, would the conversation have been recorded? Originally I believed they could use it against him because he should not believe he has any privacy while in jail. I was equating it to talking with an officer before Miranda. If you confess before being officially questioned, your confession counts. I know that's too simplistic, but it's a basic rule I believe.
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:33 AM
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Q: If he had been talking with his lawyer, would the conversation have been recorded?
A: You would have to ask the jailer that.

Q: Originally I believed they could use it against him because he should not believe he has any privacy while in jail.
A: You are correct.

Q: I was equating it to talking with an officer before Miranda. If you confess before being officially questioned, your confession counts. I know that's too simplistic, but it's a basic rule I believe.
A: You are correct. If the officer says to the waitress, "One doughnut, please. I'm on a diet" and the waitress says, "Before I came to work this morning, I killed my husband and here's how I did it." And then confesses. That's a good confession.
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Old 02-17-2005, 11:39 AM
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Thanks again.
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Old 02-17-2005, 12:05 PM
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