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    Catalytic Converters

    What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? MN

    Is it legal in Minnesota for a dealer to sell a car without a catalytic converter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs09876 View Post
    What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? MN

    Is it legal in Minnesota for a dealer to sell a car without a catalytic converter?
    Based ONLY on your post, I'll answer with a conditional "yes".
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    What other info do you need?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigner View Post
    Based ONLY on your post, I'll answer with a conditional "yes".
    And I'll toss in a conditional "no".
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    All right, guys. What other info can I get you to help me? I looked up the laws in MN and it seems like you can't tamper with or remove the cats, but can you sell the car knowing it doesn't have one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs09876 View Post
    What other info do you need?
    Year, make, model, and terms of the sale.

    For example, there is absolutely nothing illegal with a dealer selling a 1957 Chevy 210 without a catalytic converter.
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    A used car, built after 1978! Acutally a 2002 model. Dealer took car in on trade. Their inspection noted no catalytic converter. Dealer chose to not put one on and instead sell it without the cat. Customer was not told that the vehicle had no catalytic convertor when purchasing the car
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevef View Post
    And I'll toss in a conditional "no".
    The answer is definitely yes, as you pointed out below

    (Funny thing is you and I were thinking of the same year/make of car!)
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    So it is legal then? The dealer didn't break any laws selling this car?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zigner View Post
    The answer is definitely yes, as you pointed out below

    (Funny thing is you and I were thinking of the same year/make of car!)
    I still haven't forgiven my mother for selling hers in 1965 for $300. She thought it needed an engine because it smoked from under the hood.

    It was a convertible with a three-on-the tree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs09876 View Post
    So it is legal then? The dealer didn't break any laws selling this car?
    Sorry to steer this the wrong way. The point we were making is that it CAN be legal for it to be sold like this, depending on the vehicle being sold. But that doesn't apply to your situation. I'll research a bit and be back to you...
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    I found this on the MN Pollution Control Agency website:

    Minnesota State Statute 325E.0951 requires
    that anyone selling a vehicle in the state
    must certify, in writing, that the vehicle has
    all its proper pollution control equipment.
    The law parallels Minnesota Rule
    7023.0120 that prohibits the transfer of a
    vehicle title unless the emission controls are
    in place and working properly.
    Thst statute is here https://www.revisor.leg.state.mn.us/.../?id=325E.0951

    Subd. 4.Penalty.

    A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.
    Last edited by Stevef; 05-10-2012 at 01:06 PM.
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    Thank you, that's what I thought....
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    Quote Originally Posted by GautamLawyer View Post
    No i don't want to need any info**************.....
    I see the nuts came out overnight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighwayMan View Post
    I see the nuts came out overnight.
    Yeah, they did. You'd think that someone with the word "Lawyer" in their nick would know better

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