Relator included my possesions in sale

[Luvmypets1]

What is the name of your state? MA

I have no idea where to put this question.

I own appliances, washer, dryer, 2 fridges, 2 stoves in the house I live in. My new LL thinks they belong to her and believes that there were included in the price of the home. I can find receipts for on set of appliances but not for the other and I don't have any proof of the washer and dryer I bought in 2001!

Side note: The Attorney Generals office called me to ask me about my dealings with this realtor because he is being investigate for shady transactions.

I'm going to the registry of deeds office today to read through any contracts to see if in fact my appliances are listed in their sale.

What should I do and where should I go to dispute this? My new LL doesn't believe they are mine. I can understand. We both don't want to believe we were victims of this crime!

[LindaP777]

What? I have no idea what you are talking about.
Was your house sold to a new LL?
Is your former LL also a Realtor?
What does your lease say about the appliances?
Why on earth do you own 2 refrigerators and 2 stoves. Sounds very doubtful!
It won't become an issue until you move out and take the appliances with you, but it would be great to get it resolved before then.

[FlyingRon]

Lots of this is determined by local practice. In some places refrigerators go with the property some they are movable appliances. Stoves are almost always considered as such.

Even if you paid for them if they are considered a fixture, you've just made an upgrade to your landlord's property.

[Luvmypets1]

First, a fact I left out because it irrelivant, this is a two family home. I was buying rent to own and it fell through. When I moved in I bought two sets of appliances. I am not lying. I really own two sets.

A stove and fridge are not fixed. They are easy to remove. A newly planted tree is fixed.

From now on, I will only come to this forum for my own entertainment and laugh at the stupidity that is offered as advice.

Good bye!

[Zigner]

You only own one set of appliances. Why? Because you have no other PROOF

[HuAi]

I would send a written notice to your new LL making him aware of the fact that appliances belong to you. He may disagree all he wants, but last landlord cannot sell your interest in the appliances to the new LL. If you still have your old LL's contact info, try to see if he will confirm your assertion of ownership for the appliances with no receipt.

[VeronicaLodge]

Originally Posted by Luvmypets1

First, a fact I left out because it irrelivant, this is a two family home. I was buying rent to own and it fell through. When I moved in I bought two sets of appliances. I am not lying. I really own two sets.

A stove and fridge are not fixed. They are easy to remove. A newly planted tree is fixed.

From now on, I will only come to this forum for my own entertainment and laugh at the stupidity that is offered as advice.

Good bye!

"fixed" in the sense of realty is a legal term with a legal definition, it doesnt matter what you think is fixed or not.

[seniorjudge]

Originally Posted by Luvmypets1

First, a fact I left out because it irrelivant, this is a two family home. I was buying rent to own and it fell through. When I moved in I bought two sets of appliances. I am not lying. I really own two sets.

A stove and fridge are not fixed. They are easy to remove. A newly planted tree is fixed.

From now on, I will only come to this forum for my own entertainment and laugh at the stupidity that is offered as advice.

Good bye!

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[FlyingRon]

Originally Posted by Luvmypets1

A stove and fridge are not fixed. They are easy to remove. A newly planted tree is fixed.

Nope, you are wrong. "Easily removed" is in the eye of the law. If it isn't connected with a simple plug, it's fixed in most cases. As I said, even in some jurisdictions the fridge is considered a fixture even if it's just plugged in and on wheels. In other jurisdictions it's never left when someone moves out (even renters).

I've never lived anywhere where the stove (regardless of how it was attached) wasn't considered a fixture. The common example of this
that comes up all the time are pendant lights/chandeliers. You may install it with a screw driver in ten minutes, but once you do, it's
part of the buildign.

I'm glad you are entertained. I'm sorry the sad truth is not what you want to hear. Try a lawyer who will charge you
for your services, but he's not likely to tell you much different than I have said here (other than the fact that he will give
a local read on some of the gray area).

[seniorjudge]

Originally Posted by FlyingRon

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I've never lived anywhere where the stove (regardless of how it was attached) wasn't considered a fixture.
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Having been brought up in a furniture/hardware/grocery/appliance store, I must correct you: the proper term is range.



(I love being anal.)

[HuAi]

My state's Landlord Tenant Law, as well as most lease templates specifically refer to "appliances and fixtures." It seems that the law does distinguish between the two. The lease I use with my tenants that I got from a prop management co states that if appliances are provided by landlord, it is his duty to keep them in good repair, clearly leaving room for a tenant to have his own appliances for some landlords who use the same lease.

[seniorjudge]

Originally Posted by seniorjudge

Having been brought up in a furniture/hardware/grocery/appliance store, I must correct you: the proper term is range.



(I love being anal.)

Relator included my possesions in sale

And, I am sure poster meant Realtor (which is trademarked, by the way).

[CharlotteInvest]

you should have a copy of the move in/move out form. that form usually states what was included as a part of your agreement with the model type. if it doesn't state the appliances then you should be ok. usually when a ll places new appliances they will have to sign a waiver. since this was a rent to own it shouldn't be too hard to prove the appliances are yours.


hope this helps.

[gryndor]

Originally Posted by seniorjudge

Relator included my possesions in sale

And, I am sure poster meant Realtor (which is trademarked, by the way).

No no no, OP obviously meant Relator, like Skelator, which implies the evil acts were purposeful.