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Old 12-06-2006, 08:48 PM
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What is the name of your state? Texas

After accepting an offer from buyer, we completed the active option period and went into pending status. We were supposed to close on the 12th of December. On the 6th of December we were notified by our realtor who was notified by buyer's realtor that financing had "fallen through". They had a pre-approval letter with their offer. Thirdhand information (relayed by our realtor from their realtor) is that problems with their taxes fouled up their loan approval with the underwriter. Other thirdhand info is that they loan shopped at several banks (getting denied each time) during the escrow period after the active option was completed.

As the seller, in order to close on the 12th, I vacated my house and signed a lease at a new apartment in a very short amount of time once the active option period was over. Had the buyers indicated they had a problem and were still shopping for a loan, I would not have signed the lease at the new place, nor moved out.

Can I sue them in small claims for damages (a couple months rent at my new place)? I have not yet signed the release from contract in order to get the earnest money, because reading over the release, it looks as though I will have no legal grounds to go after them if I sign it. If all of this had been an unforseeable event such as a death, or loss of job, or whatever, I could probably just let go and take the earnest money, but to get notice that they couldn't afford the home itself 6 days before closing seems a bit fishy to me.

Any help?

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Old 12-06-2006, 08:51 PM
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People often find out just before closing that they cannot get funding. A preapproval letter is just like a preappoval offer of a credit card. It doesn't mean that you will get final approval. What did the contract state if the buyer could not get funding?
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Old 12-07-2006, 05:39 AM
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For others, your deed is done but one should remember things can and very often do go awry and the sell/purchase is NOT complete until all paperwork is sign, sealed, and delivered.

If the contract contains a rinancing contingency then you will not even be able to keep the earnest money barring other language in the contract.

That you took it upon yourself to do the things you did BEFORE a final closing would take many years to get financial compensation forif ever.
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Old 12-07-2006, 10:22 AM
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I am gong throught the same issue. Only I amthe buyer trying to get my earnest back. The seller chose to move her belongings to FL before the closing.

I did have a financing contigency. My intentins were to assign the PA and seller knew. But that fell thru and I could not close on it myself after the fact due to credit scores dropping during this waiting period.

I feel for you on this, but people re right, a deal is not a deal until the checks are cut and docs sent to the lender.
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Old 12-08-2006, 01:23 PM
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I know that we are going to have to just deal with our situation, take the earnest money, put our house back on the market and be done with these buyers. What gets my goat is this: it said in the contract they had 10 days to procur financing (active option period). It wasn't until well after the option period ended that they admitted they couldn't get financing and had been shopping around. Now, I get their earnest money, and no it isn't their fault that I moved out of my place. BUT had they been more up front, I wouldn't have signed a lease, nor moved out. Lesson learned.

My other question is this: people say a deal can fall through right up until the day of closing. However, my understanding is that as the seller, I am supposed to be out of my house, and my house is supposed to be in move-in condition on the day of closing. So, as a seller, I obviously have to take a gamble at some point and find another place to live and move my stuff out. This time, I did that too quickly (hindsight being 20/20). When should a seller move out if they have to be out by closing? When should they find a new place to live? Do I just ask for more earnest money so that my losses are covered in-the-event-of? I have a good real estate agent, but he said in 6 years of his being licensed, this particular situation (buyer not being approved after a pre-approval, and then waiting to tell us well after the option period) had never happened to him before. I think he was asking his brokers many of the questions I had been asking him.

Can you tell I'm a first time seller?
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Old 12-08-2006, 06:08 PM
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but he said in 6 years of his being licensed, this particular situation (buyer not being approved after a pre-approval, and then waiting to tell us well after the option period) had never happened to him before

Then he has not been very active in those 6 years as this is a very common occurence!

Sellers often move out in the morning and the buyer moves in in the afternoon after the close.

Those are just the chances one takes in a sell/purchase.

Oh and don't spend that earnest money just yet the potential purchasers will also have to sign off on you getting it back and they may not be willing to do so. The EXACT wording of your contract will rule but you may have to sue to get it.
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Old 12-09-2006, 08:25 PM
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but he said in 6 years of his being licensed, this particular situation (buyer not being approved after a pre-approval, and then waiting to tell us well after the option period) had never happened to him before
Gee, what planet was he practicing real estate on? I've seen MANY worthless prequalification letters. Most have a whole list of "qualifications" that must be met. And appraisal is always but one of those.

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Then he has not been very active in those 6 years as this is a very common occurence!
Agreed. I see many transactions each month, and I do several closings each month.

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Sellers often move out in the morning and the buyer moves in in the afternoon after the close.
That is VERY common. I've sat at closings in which the parties each had full UHauls sitting in the parking lot.

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Those are just the chances one takes in a sell/purchase.
It's NEVER over until you walk out of closing with a proceed check. I've been in this business sinvce 1979, and I've seen both buyers and seller DIE prior to closing, I've seen basements flooded, winter weather burst pipes in a vacant home (it looked like stalagtites inside), one blew up the day of closing because the tenant didn't properly shut off the gas after they moved the stove. Oh yeah, one had the front porch taken out by a drunk driver.

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Oh and don't spend that earnest money just yet the potential purchasers will also have to sign off on you getting it back and they may not be willing to do so. The EXACT wording of your contract will rule but you may have to sue to get it.
I agree. Depending on the loan continguency language, the sellers may not be entitled to retain the buyers earnest money. If the deal was subject to obtaining a firm loan commitment, and none was ever given, then you likely have NO basis to keep the earnest money.
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Old 12-09-2006, 11:08 PM
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Gee, what planet was he practicing real estate on? I've seen MANY worthless prequalification letters. Most have a whole list of "qualifications" that must be met. And appraisal is always but one of those..
I may be misunderstanding, but I thought a pre-approval was very different from a prequalification. I get prequalification letters in the mail all the time, but I have to acutally apply to find out what I'm eligible for. When I was buying my home, I had a pre-approval letter from the bank because I had already applied and the bank had done all of its checking on me (pay stubs, tax records, credit check, etc), and I was approved for a certain amount at a certain interest rate. Our buyers had a pre-approval, not a prequalification. If they are worth nothing in the end, why even bother with the pre-approvals? Why did their offer have a letter stating how much they were approved for and at what interest rate?

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That is VERY common. I've sat at closings in which the parties each had full UHauls sitting in the parking lot...
That may be the case, but I personally have never seen it done that way (and while I've never sold a house before, I've moved a lot). Based on my experience, I probably wouldn't have even thought to do things that way, but looking back, there really was no possible way for me to move out on the day of closing. In fact, the reason we moved when we did was because it was basically the only possible day for us to get out and have the house ready to move into by the closing day. I admit it was my bad, but I personally could not have done things any other way. Now, I pay the price.

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I agree. Depending on the loan continguency language, the sellers may not be entitled to retain the buyers earnest money. If the deal was subject to obtaining a firm loan commitment, and none was ever given, then you likely have NO basis to keep the earnest money.
Except the contract stated they had 10 days to guarantee financing or notify us otherwise (the active option period). They waited until well after the option period was over to notify us.
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Old 12-10-2006, 01:46 PM
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They waited until well after the option period was over to notify us.
And you did not cancel the contract because?

I hope this goes as rose as you think but we are only telling you that there are a few things that have to happen first, the most imp. being the buyers signing off on YOU receiving that earnest money.
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Old 12-10-2006, 10:43 PM
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I am very sorry to hear that this has happened to you.

What I have also seen is that the seller's real estate agent is supposed to receive copy of pre approval letter, then check back up w/ their lender to make sure that everything is still ok (at this time, if the buyer was caught shopping... this might be picked up by your agent checking in on it every week).

I know that lenders can usually wait to the last minute to state CONDITIONS to the buyer that MUST be met prior to close.... on my own personal deal... I didn't receive my conditions from the lender's underwriters til a day before closing.... luckily for me and the seller... I had enough money to pay a long lost medical collection that perked it's nasty head up at the last minute!!

In hindsight.... It's not completely done until you have a check from settlement!
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Old 12-10-2006, 10:51 PM
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I am very sorry to hear that this has happened to you.

What I have also seen is that the seller's real estate agent is supposed to receive copy of pre approval letter, then check back up w/ their lender to make sure that everything is still ok (at this time, if the buyer was caught shopping... this might be picked up by your agent checking in on it every week).
What are you talking about? What would the realtor having a copy of the pre-approval letter do? The realtor is not allowed to ask the lender anything. Well, let me rephrase that. The lender, because of federal privacy laws, is not allowed to disclose information about their (potential) client to the realtor, without the client's permission.
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Old 12-11-2006, 10:04 AM
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I didn't receive my conditions from the lender's underwriters til a day before closing....

Bingo and that is EXACTLY what we have been trying to convey to this poster!
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Old 12-11-2006, 03:55 PM
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What are you talking about? What would the realtor having a copy of the pre-approval letter do? The realtor is not allowed to ask the lender anything. Well, let me rephrase that. The lender, because of federal privacy laws, is not allowed to disclose information about their (potential) client to the realtor, without the client's permission.
I think what they meant was check with the MORTGAGE BROKER which an agent can do...but yes, an agent CANNOT contact the LENDER...
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No person has any business giving out information in regards to a 3rd party without that party's permission. Period. The mortgage broker has to operate within the privacy acts laws too.
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No person has any business giving out information in regards to a 3rd party without that party's permission. Period. The mortgage broker has to operate within the privacy acts laws too.
Very true but we both know to differing degrees it is done all the time. Don't make it right!
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