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geraldw71

Junior Member
Valley, Alabama

I want to get my children back. They have been adopted by their foster parent. I lost my parental rights because me and my wife were found unfit parents together and i couldnt afford a divorce at the time due to false alligations causing me to lose my job. when the courts gave their final decisions they told me and the adoptive parents that i could keep intouch with my children, but the woman that has them will not let me contact them or vice versa.They are unhappy were they are and have been borrowing cell phones while at school contacting me begging to come home. i have finally filed for divorce from my wife. Now i want to get my children back or atleast be able to get visitation rights
 


ecmst12

Senior Member
You can't. Adoptions and terminations of parental rights are PERMANENT. You have no children anymore.
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
Valley, Alabama

I want to get my children back. They have been adopted by their foster parent. I lost my parental rights because me and my wife were found unfit parents together and i couldnt afford a divorce at the time due to false alligations causing me to lose my job. when the courts gave their final decisions they told me and the adoptive parents that i could keep intouch with my children, but the woman that has them will not let me contact them or vice versa.They are unhappy were they are and have been borrowing cell phones while at school contacting me begging to come home. i have finally filed for divorce from my wife. Now i want to get my children back or atleast be able to get visitation rights



As difficult as this is for you, it's a truth you need to accept - these are no longer your children. You should also expect, if you continue allowing them to contact you, for their parents to stop all contact and possibly even obtain a restraining order against you.

You made a choice to stay with your wife; this is a consequence of that choice.
 

PQN

Member
As everyone else said, adoption is final and legally, you are not their father anymore. The judge may have given their new parents permission to allow them to stay in contact with you but if they have chosen not to, you need to honor their decision on what is best for their children.

Also, if the children were 14 or older when the adoption happened, you realize that they agreed to be adopted.
 

TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
As everyone else said, adoption is final and legally, you are not their father anymore. The judge may have given their new parents permission to allow them to stay in contact with you but if they have chosen not to, you need to honor their decision on what is best for their children.

Also, if the children were 14 or older when the adoption happened, you realize that they agreed to be adopted.
Please cite Alabama statute that supports that statement.

Because this was an INVOLUNTARY TPR, I doubt very seriously that the children had that much say in it.

Section 12-15-319
Grounds for termination of parental rights; factors considered; presumption arising from abandonment.

(a) If the juvenile court finds from clear and convincing evidence, competent, material, and relevant in nature, that the parents of a child are unable or unwilling to discharge their responsibilities to and for the child, or that the conduct or condition of the parents renders them unable to properly care for the child and that the conduct or condition is unlikely to change in the foreseeable future, it may terminate the parental rights of the parents. In determining whether or not the parents are unable or unwilling to discharge their responsibilities to and for the child and to terminate the parental rights, the juvenile court shall consider the following factors including, but not limited to, the following:

(1) That the parents have abandoned the child, provided that in these cases, proof shall not be required of reasonable efforts to prevent removal or reunite the child with the parents.

(2) Emotional illness, mental illness, or mental deficiency of the parent, or excessive use of alcohol or controlled substances, of a duration or nature as to render the parent unable to care for needs of the child.

(3) That the parent has tortured, abused, cruelly beaten, or otherwise maltreated the child, or attempted to torture, abuse, cruelly beat, or otherwise maltreat the child, or the child is in clear and present danger of being thus tortured, abused, cruelly beaten, or otherwise maltreated as evidenced by the treatment of a sibling.

(4) Conviction of and imprisonment for a felony.

(5) Commission by the parents of any of the following:

a. Murder or manslaughter of another child of that parent.

b. Aiding, abetting, attempting, conspiring, or soliciting to commit murder or manslaughter of another child of that parent.

c. A felony assault or abuse which results in serious bodily injury to the surviving child or another child of that parent. The term serious bodily injury shall mean bodily injury which involves substantial risk of death, extreme physical pain, protracted and obvious disfigurement, or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, organ, or mental faculty.

(6) Unexplained serious physical injury to the child under those circumstances as would indicate that the injuries resulted from the intentional conduct or willful neglect of the parent.

(7) That reasonable efforts by the Department of Human Resources or licensed public or private child care agencies leading toward the rehabilitation of the parents have failed.

(8) That parental rights to a sibling of the child have been involuntarily terminated.

(9) Failure by the parents to provide for the material needs of the child or to pay a reasonable portion of support of the child, where the parent is able to do so.

(10) Failure by the parents to maintain regular visits with the child in accordance with a plan devised by the Department of Human Resources, or any public or licensed private child care agency, and agreed to by the parent.

(11) Failure by the parents to maintain consistent contact or communication with the child.

(12) Lack of effort by the parent to adjust his or her circumstances to meet the needs of the child in accordance with agreements reached, including agreements reached with local departments of human resources or licensed child-placing agencies, in an administrative review or a judicial review.

(b) A rebuttable presumption that the parents are unable or unwilling to act as parents exists in any case where the parents have abandoned a child and this abandonment continues for a period of four months next preceding the filing of the petition. Nothing in this subsection is intended to prevent the filing of a petition in an abandonment case prior to the end of the four-month period.
(Acts 1984, No. 84-261, p. 442, §7; Act 97-851, p. 138, §1; Act 98-370, p. 670, §1; §26-18-7; amended and renumbered by Act 2008-277, p. 441, §19.)
http://alisondb.legislature.state.al.us/acas/CodeOfAlabama/1975/12-15-319.htm
 
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LdiJ

Senior Member
Please cite Alabama statute that supports that statement.

Because this was an INVOLUNTARY TPR, I doubt very seriously that the children had that much say in it.



Section 12-15-319
I am sure that the children had no say at all in the TPR. However, that is separate from the adoption. Not all foster children whose parent's rights are terminated are adopted.

You would have to review the adoption statutes to determine whether or not teens have a say in adoption. In all states I am familiar with, they must also consent after a certain age.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I am sure that the children had no say at all in the TPR. However, that is separate from the adoption. Not all foster children whose parent's rights are terminated are adopted.

You would have to review the adoption statutes to determine whether or not teens have a say in adoption. In all states I am familiar with, they must also consent after a certain age.
If there is going to be an involuntary TPR there needs to be a GAL for the children who conveys the children's WISHES and their best interests. Guess what? They had a say of some sort. And adoption is NOT based on the children's wishes.
Oh and if they wishes to be returned to their parents and the GAL recommended a TPR anyway, that is a conflict and there may have been an appealable issue there for the TPR. However, he probably waived his right to appeal due to the time.
 

TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
If there is going to be an involuntary TPR there needs to be a GAL for the children who conveys the children's WISHES and their best interests. Guess what? They had a say of some sort. And adoption is NOT based on the children's wishes.
Oh and if they wishes to be returned to their parents and the GAL recommended a TPR anyway, that is a conflict and there may have been an appealable issue there for the TPR. However, he probably waived his right to appeal due to the time.
Found my own cite.

Section 26-10A-7
Persons whose consents or relinquishment are required.

(a) Consent to the petitioner's adoption or relinquishment for adoption to the Department of Human Resources or a licensed child placing agency shall be required of the following:

(1) The adoptee, if 14 years of age or older, except where the court finds that the adoptee does not have the mental capacity to give consent;

(2) The adoptee's mother;

(3) The adoptee's presumed father, regardless of paternity, if:

a. He and the adoptee's mother are or have been married to each other and the adoptee was born during the marriage, or within 300 days after the marriage was terminated by death, annulment, declaration of invalidity, or divorce, or after a decree of separation was entered by a court; or

b. Before the adoptee's birth, he and the adoptee's mother have attempted to marry each other by a marriage solemnized in apparent compliance with law, although the attempted marriage is or could be declared invalid, and,

1. If the attempted marriage could be declared invalid only by a court, the adoptee was born during the attempted marriage, or within 300 days after its termination by death, annulment, declaration of invalidity, or divorce; or

2. If the attempted marriage is invalid without a court order, the adoptee was born within 300 days after the termination of cohabitation; or

c. After the adoptee's birth, he and the adoptee's mother have married, or attempted to marry each other by a marriage solemnized in apparent compliance with law, although the attempted marriage is or could be declared invalid, and

1. With his knowledge or consent, he was named as the adoptee's father on the adoptee's birth certificate; or

2. He is obligated to support the adoptee pursuant to a written voluntary promise or agreement or by court order; or

d. He received the adoptee into his home and openly held out the adoptee as his own child;

(4) The agency to which the adoptee has been relinquished or which holds permanent custody and which has placed the adoptee for adoption, except that the court may grant the adoption without the consent of the agency if the adoption is in the best interests of the adoptee and there is a finding that the agency has unreasonably withheld its consent; and

(5) The putative father if made known by the mother or is otherwise made known to the court provided he complies with Section 26-10C-1 and he responds within 30 days to the notice he receives under Section 26-10A-17(a)(10).

(b) A petition to adopt an adult may be granted only if written consent to adopt has been executed by the adult seeking to adopt and his or her spouse or by the guardian or conservator of the adult sought to be adopted pursuant to the requirements of Sections 26-10A-6 and 26-10A-11.
(Acts 1990, No. 90-554, p. 912, §7; Act 98-101, p. 118, §1; Act 2002-417, p. 1061, §1.)
Section 26-10A-7
 
It looks like the only thing you can do is wait until they are 18. At that point they can come live with you if they want regardless of their parents' wishes.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
If there is going to be an involuntary TPR there needs to be a GAL for the children who conveys the children's WISHES and their best interests. Guess what? They had a say of some sort. And adoption is NOT based on the children's wishes.
Oh and if they wishes to be returned to their parents and the GAL recommended a TPR anyway, that is a conflict and there may have been an appealable issue there for the TPR. However, he probably waived his right to appeal due to the time.
I think I am going to go with the statutes that the Geekess posted for Alabama. They seem to contract what you have posted.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Is that dealing with cases in which the rights were involuntarily terminated due to parental unfitness?

ACTUALLY here is the law for that:
Article 3. Dependency and Termination of Parental Rights


Current through Act 2011-217 of the 2011 Legislative Session
§ 12-15-322. Authority of one in custody to place child for adoption or consent to adoption


Upon the termination of parental rights by the juvenile court and placement of permanent custody of a child with any agency or department, the agency or department may place the child for adoption or consent to the adoption of the child.
THE AGENCY is the only one who must consent in these adoptionsafter there has been a termination of parental rights. The law you quoted seemed to deal with adoptions when the parents were WILLINGLY placing the child for adoption.
 
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Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I think I am going to go with the statutes that the Geekess posted for Alabama. They seem to contract what you have posted.
Except she posted the WRONG area of the statutes and not the area dealing with involuntary termination of parental rights and adoption.
 

nextwife

Senior Member
Valley, Alabama

I want to get my children back. They have been adopted by their foster parent. I lost my parental rights because me and my wife were found unfit parents
If they WERE adopted, no doubt the bioparents rights were terminated.
 

TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
Is that dealing with cases in which the rights were involuntarily terminated due to parental unfitness?

ACTUALLY here is the law for that:
Article 3. Dependency and Termination of Parental Rights


Current through Act 2011-217 of the 2011 Legislative Session


THE AGENCY is the only one who must consent in these adoptionsafter there has been a termination of parental rights. The law you quoted seemed to deal with adoptions when the parents were WILLINGLY placing the child for adoption.
I sit corrected. I should have stuck with that part of the Statutes (where the ITPR lives) instead of going into Infants and Incompetents (Section 26).
 

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