Look, If I wanted to talk directly to a dense person, I would have called you if I had your number....you dont have any useful information for anyone on this post but your own thoughts, misconceptions and opinions on what others are to do. You are the kind of person that will screw up childrens lives just to eliminate a problem or overreact. THEY ARE NOT IN ANY DANGER. If they were, they wouldnt be living there. Cant you tell that we are trying to think of the best scenario here...let me rip you out of your parents home at 2 or 4yrs old, not understanding why, and put you with strangers instead of your relatives. That is the most absent minded thing going on today....IT DOESNT HELP the child if they dont understand the situation to put them with a stranger. THEY ARE NOT IN DANGER. The father is not an abusive drunk, he is on drugs, he sleeps all the time, he is never there, and he is in rehab away from the home. The mother just chooses partying over being very repsonsible, I DO find a problem with this but they have never been in harms way. There are too many of us looking out for them. This is why I am inquiring about how to get custody of them. We just found out that he is on drugs and the mother and him are seperated anyway but we still think they should have it better in life..I guess we are those kind of people that have the standards and morals of the old days still....unlike other families today. I hope to God that you are Not a counseler of any type...I hope someday you will have the chance to experience what its like to have to make a decision - A WISE decision, about the future of the children. DONT assume everyones case is Deadly....DONT go by the book and throw every child around....thats how children are lead to being even more confused and more likely to become just like everyone else in this world. Maybe if you had dealt with other families that actually gave a crap, you would have some type of knowledge, understanding and CARING about the family and more, the children. I have higher standards for myself and my loved ones in this world than you can imagine so please put away what you think you know and go out there and get some real experience. You cant just say to a drunk or addict "Hey Dickhead, Just Stop" Thats your method??? Just do this and just do that??? Not professional, No Common Sense, No experience in the Real World, No heart, No mind. These types of cases, and most other cases, are 90% mental- without changing your thoughts and ways you think, You cannot change the way you live and the decisions you make. And this is not cured by just doing something one day or just telling someone something one time. I understand your interest in the childrens safety, but you should have listened to what I was saying and asking about and not assume. I wish I could tell you more details about the situation so you wouldnt be so blind about it, but you would most likely not understand anyway. PS NO, this isnt just another person getting defensive because they dont want to admit or face the problem and facts of the situation. Lawyers are so quick to tell others what to do without listening to their situation first. Rolling them out as fast as they can to get to the next case. Hope this is working for you because Im sure its not working as easily for your clients.