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Old 11-03-2009, 10:08 PM
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unborn child in tx


What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? texas

I know a pregnant girl (22 y/o) and I'm 25. she told me that if I don't want anything to do with the child (it might be mine, so lets just pretend) she won't come after me for child support. I would like to believe her but I would believe a legal document more. is there anyway for me to have her sign a document that legally allows this suggestion of her's?

she would be a single mother with no potential partners that I know of...What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? texas

I know a pregnant girl (22 y/o) and I'm 25. she told me that if I don't want anything to do with the child (it might be mine, so lets just pretend) she won't come after me for child support. I would like to believe her but I would believe a legal document more. is there anyway for me to have her sign a document that legally allows this suggestion of her's?

she would be a single mother with no potential partners that I know of...What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
Nope.

Even if.
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And since paternity is not determined until after the baby is born and can be established long after birth for the purposes of CS, then you can save your pennies up because if she changes her mind she can file up until baby is grown and out of high school.
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Old 11-04-2009, 12:29 AM
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reposted- This is in regarding paternity tests.

1) if i don't have the test done and don't know the child is mine, what are my financial obligations?

2) can she get back pay for child support to the date of birth if I wasn't aware and not paying?

these both look like the answer is yes...

4) is it in my best financial interest to have the test done?
5) is there a difference legally between being the biological father and having my name on the birth certificate?
6) what is CS based on if one parent is in another country?
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reposted- This is in regarding paternity tests.

1) if i don't have the test done and don't know the child is mine, what are my financial obligations?
Without paternity being established there is virtually no chance of Mom obtaining financial support from any presumed father.

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2) can she get back pay for child support to the date of birth if I wasn't aware and not paying?
Incredibly unlikely but it has happened on occasion; a child support order is usually effective from the date of filing, not before.

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4) is it in my best financial interest to have the test done?
Whether or not the test is done you can still be found - by default - to be the legal father.

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5) is there a difference legally between being the biological father and having my name on the birth certificate?
There can be, yes.

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6) what is CS based on if one parent is in another country?
Depends. Which country are we talking about?
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Old 11-04-2009, 01:42 AM
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2) is there any sort of reference material/links you can provide regarding "Incredibly unlikely" and "usually" situations?

6) i haven't thought about that one. more of a hypothetical question that I will rephrase. I'm a US citizen. I leave to country X. if I came back would there be CS back pay charges waiting on me assuming i had the test and she filed for CS?

some of these questions are dumb, i know. thanks again.
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2) is there any sort of reference material/links you can provide regarding "Incredibly unlikely" and "usually" situations?

6) i haven't thought about that one. more of a hypothetical question that I will rephrase. I'm a US citizen. I leave to country X. if I came back would there be CS back pay charges waiting on me assuming i had the test and she filed for CS?

some of these questions are dumb, i know. thanks again.
2) Understand that there is more than one way to legally establish paternity - even without a court-ordered DNA test the court may determine paternity by default (for example if Mom files in court and you don't respond). Every case is judged by its own merit and it just isn't possible to predict what may or may not happen.

6) If you are legally established as Dad - whether or not you are the child's biological father - then a child support order can be enforced for many years to come; though it's difficult to enforce a US order outside of the US it's not impossible.

So - what is the real story here?

Are you trying to ensure you have no legal obligations, or what? Is the actual welfare of the child a consideration?
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before you get on your welfare high horse let me say these things are hard to type. im analytical. sometime to a fault. I want to examine everything from all angles. I love my unborn child so much I would abort it if the choice were mine. that's a really hard decision to make.

summer camps, braces, car, college and ect. I don't have a job now and haven't been to school myself. However, I do have a GI bill and ambition to go to school. At this point all I can provide emotional comfort and that's about it. that's not enough in my eyes.

Real Story- I am willing to accept any sort of legal financial responsibility for a child I created. I want to give him the best life possible. Also I am very frugal and don't want to screw myself into debt for the rest of my life or live in a shack. Super realistic here and exploring possibilities. shes about 10 weeks into it. time to start planning more thoroughly.

as for question 2) alright, now that I understand there is more than one way to establish paternity what are they? what if I told someone about it? is word of mouth viable in court? what about the posts on this website?
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before you get on your welfare high horse let me say these things are hard to type. im analytical. sometime to a fault. I want to examine everything from all angles. I love my unborn child so much I would abort it if the choice were mine. that's a really hard decision to make.
Don't talk about horses. I've been flogging dead horses here for some time now - in fact sometimes I don't know if I've found a rope or lost a horse. What's your point here?

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summer camps, braces, car, college and ect. I don't have a job now and haven't been to school myself. However, I do have a GI bill and ambition to go to school. At this point all I can provide emotional comfort and that's about it. that's not enough in my eyes.
You probably want to think about not taking the risk of getting someone pregnant next time around, y'know?

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Real Story- I am willing to accept any sort of legal financial responsibility for a child I created. I want to give him the best life possible. Also I am very frugal and don't want to screw myself into debt for the rest of my life or live in a shack. . Super realistic here and exploring possibilities. shes about 10 weeks into it. time to start planning more thoroughly.

Ditto previous response - and at 10 weeks pregnant you are seriously overthinking things....there is no child yet. Period.


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as for question 2) alright, now that I understand there is more than one way to establish paternity what are they? what if I told someone about it? is word of mouth viable in court? what about the posts on this website?
What exactly are you asking here?

What if you told who about what? In what kind of court proceeding?
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Old 11-04-2009, 03:04 AM
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1st and foremost, thank you.

the real question here is if I don't have a paternity test and she doesn't seek CS, then legally I owe nothing?

if she seeks CS at a later date, is the date she is granted CS the day i start paying/paying back pay? or do I have to pay from the date of birth?

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1st and foremost, thank you.

the real question here is if I don't have a paternity test and she doesn't seek CS, then legally I owe nothing?
She'll need a child support order to collect CS from you whether or not you've taken a DNA test.

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if she seeks CS at a later date, is the date she is granted CS the day i start paying/paying back pay? or do I have to pay from the date of birth?
As a general rule it goes back to the date of filing.....but there have been (unusual) occasions where CS has been ordered back to the child's date of birth.

These are NOT the rule though - they are by far the exception.
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These are NOT the rule though - they are by far the exception.
Agreed. Usually this happens when Dad actively tries to avoid establishing paternity thinking it will absolve him of support obligations.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:23 AM
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BlueMeanie,
I'm not trying to run from it. rather trying to protect my pocket from any more of her/my bad decisions.

after a bit of sleep and thinking here's where im at. I want to reach an oral agreement with the mother on how much I should pay monthly. is there a documentation method to keep these payments from being in the legal "gift" status? what would be the best way for me to proceed in this manner if at all? mind you there are no CS orders.

don't want to give her a bunch of "gift" money and then have to legally give her the same money again. this would be if she goes for the CS at a later date and is awarded some unusual back pay deal.
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Old 11-04-2009, 10:57 AM
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BlueMeanie,
I'm not trying to run from it. rather trying to protect my pocket from any more of her/my bad decisions.

after a bit of sleep and thinking here's where im at. I want to reach an oral agreement with the mother on how much I should pay monthly. is there a documentation method to keep these payments from being in the legal "gift" status? what would be the best way for me to proceed in this manner if at all? mind you there are no CS orders.

don't want to give her a bunch of "gift" money and then have to legally give her the same money again. this would be if she goes for the CS at a later date and is awarded some unusual back pay deal.
DON'T PAY A DARN THING WITHOUT A COURT ORDER! and i mean that.

you want to pay child support? wonderful. do it right. walk, run, drive, fly to the local child support state agency. fill out the paperwork, let them handle it. they'll assign child support by state guidline.

check to see if you can handle this online as well.
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Agreed. Usually this happens when Dad actively tries to avoid establishing paternity thinking it will absolve him of support obligations.
Precisely
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