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susan diblasio

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington
I want to know how to close the loop-holes used by medical researchers of large corporations. They exploit the poor, disabled and vulnerable members of the population. The sites that have a complaint form where you can voice your situation, they always require that you know the names of the people involved, the exact project they are using you for and what corporation or government entity is involved. If you are being used without your consent, that is a civil liberties violation, but how do you find out who it is?

In the case of the DARPA projects. A contest was conducted to see how many objects could be implanted in a human. Is that person still considered a human being or do they become a new creature created by man and do not have the same rights as other human beings. Do the same rights apply to them if they file complaints such as medical malpractice. If an object is implanted and then the device is not activated until after the statute of limitations, is there an exception to that rule?
 


quincy

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington
I want to know how to close the loop-holes used by medical researchers of large corporations. They exploit the poor, disabled and vulnerable members of the population. The sites that have a complaint form where you can voice your situation, they always require that you know the names of the people involved, the exact project they are using you for and what corporation or government entity is involved. If you are being used without your consent, that is a civil liberties violation, but how do you find out who it is?

In the case of the DARPA projects. A contest was conducted to see how many objects could be implanted in a human. Is that person still considered a human being or do they become a new creature created by man and do not have the same rights as other human beings. Do the same rights apply to them if they file complaints such as medical malpractice. If an object is implanted and then the device is not activated until after the statute of limitations, is there an exception to that rule?
Are you personally involved, or were you personally involved, in medical research that was conducted without your consent?
 

ecmst12

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There are no loopholes allowing any medical research to be conducted (legally) by anyone without very explicit consent.
 

Silverplum

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Become an attorney. Represent the people for whom you are concerned. Run for Senate and win. Network within DC. Run again, win again. Prepare a bill and follow it through to law.

Right? :cool:
 

Proserpina

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington
I want to know how to close the loop-holes used by medical researchers of large corporations. They exploit the poor, disabled and vulnerable members of the population. The sites that have a complaint form where you can voice your situation, they always require that you know the names of the people involved, the exact project they are using you for and what corporation or government entity is involved. If you are being used without your consent, that is a civil liberties violation, but how do you find out who it is?

In the case of the DARPA projects. A contest was conducted to see how many objects could be implanted in a human. Is that person still considered a human being or do they become a new creature created by man and do not have the same rights as other human beings. Do the same rights apply to them if they file complaints such as medical malpractice. If an object is implanted and then the device is not activated until after the statute of limitations, is there an exception to that rule?

Tell me. Are you (even vaguely) aware of how clinical trials work?

(And let's not pretend that the US is the only country who does this)
 

Ladyback1

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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington
I want to know how to close the loop-holes used by medical researchers of large corporations. They exploit the poor, disabled and vulnerable members of the population. The sites that have a complaint form where you can voice your situation, they always require that you know the names of the people involved, the exact project they are using you for and what corporation or government entity is involved. If you are being used without your consent, that is a civil liberties violation, but how do you find out who it is?

In the case of the DARPA projects. A contest was conducted to see how many objects could be implanted in a human. Is that person still considered a human being or do they become a new creature created by man and do not have the same rights as other human beings. Do the same rights apply to them if they file complaints such as medical malpractice. If an object is implanted and then the device is not activated until after the statute of limitations, is there an exception to that rule?
Someone seems to have been reading a lot of science fiction...Robyn Cooke perhaps??
 

OHRoadwarrior

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Did you get one of those micro RFID chips injected by a flu shot or other shot, then have it programmed in one of the airport scanners by Homeland Security?
 

quincy

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Here are two articles on medical research ethics and regulations, one written by Lizbeth A. Adams, PhD, CIP (with contributions by Timothy Callahan, PhD) which was published last year by the University of Washington School of Medicine ("Research Ethics"), and one written by Amy T. Campbell, J.D., M.Bioethics published by the National Academy of Sciences ("State Regulation of Medical Research with Children and Adolescents: An Overview and Analysis").

Research Ethics: https://depts.washington.edu/bioethx/topics/resrch.html

State Regulation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25556/

Unless someone is operating in a Frankenstein-type lab (and I recommend people avoid those), it is hard for anyone conducting medical research to implant devices in a human subject without their knowledge and consent.
 

OHRoadwarrior

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Actually Quincy, it would be relatively easy to insert microscopic chips into pre-filled injectable syringes during packaging for medical sale. The doctors would never know. Nanotechnology is here.
 

ecmst12

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I've said it before but apparently it needs repeating. When we are dealing with an OP who very likely is suffering from some serious mental illness, it's really bad form to feed into their delusions. It's dangerous, it's cruel, and it's not at all funny. Save your jokes for posters who really deserve them.
 

quincy

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I've said it before but apparently it needs repeating. When we are dealing with an OP who very likely is suffering from some serious mental illness, it's really bad form to feed into their delusions. It's dangerous, it's cruel, and it's not at all funny. Save your jokes for posters who really deserve them.
The two links I provided should reassure Susan or anyone else who is actually concerned about medical research being conducted on a person without that person's knowledge or consent.

That said, I think a lot of the posters who come to this site with concerns like those expressed in this thread are not suffering from anything other than boredom.
 
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OHRoadwarrior

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Joe Biden addressed the issue in recent Supreme Court appointment hearings as micro-chipping humans being an issue that will soon (next several years)come before the Supreme Court. The Japanese have one smaller than the width of a hair, 0.05mm by 0.05mm. There is no feeding going on this is reality.
 
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quincy

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Joe Biden addressed the issue in recent Supreme Court appointment hearings as micro-chipping humans being an issue that will soon (next several years)come before the Supreme Court. The Japanese have one smaller than the width of a hair, 0.05mm by 0.05mm. There is no feeding going on this is reality.
Yes. Nanotechnology is a reality.

But the REAL reality is that it is extremely unlikely that anyone is going to check into a hospital in the US and have a device implanted without their knowledge and consent. I do not think that susan diblasio has to worry about filing a malpractice suit over creatures created by man.

Here is a link to "The Ethics of Nanotechnology" written by Andrew Chen and published by the Markkula Center for Applied Ethics, Santa Clara University, that outlines the benefits and the potential dangers of nanotechnology:
http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/submitted/chen/nanotechnology.html
 
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FlyingRon

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A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
 

quincy

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A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
I do not think the US populace needs to overly worry about nefarious secret experiments being conducted on humans in this country.

Although nothing is outside the realm of possibility, of all the many legitimate things there are to worry about in this world, this particular concern should probably not take up too much time in anyone's thoughts.
 
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