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13K car with a 30K finance loan

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guberpl

Junior Member
Hello,

I have a friend who got duped into buying a used car that is worth around 13K with a financing plan that will add up to 30K. This happened in NY. Considering how ridiculous the loan is, what are her options? Is this a matter for the small claim court? Should she be contacting a lawyer right away? Should she tell the dealer to renegotiate the contract? I don't know how much money she already put into it, but assuming it's not a lot, should she just stop paying and have them take the car back? Any advice would be much appreciated! Thank you.
 


Antigone*

Senior Member
Hello,

I have a friend who got duped into buying a used car that is worth around 13K with a financing plan that will add up to 30K. This happened in NY. Considering how ridiculous the loan is, what are her options? Is this a matter for the small claim court? Should she be contacting a lawyer right away? Should she tell the dealer to renegotiate the contract? I don't know how much money she already put into it, but assuming it's not a lot, should she just stop paying and have them take the car back? Any advice would be much appreciated! Thank you.
What makes you think anything illegal happened here?
 

tranquility

Senior Member
Why doesn't your friend get another loan with a better rate and pay off this bad one? I suspect it is because of credit issues, which is why the payoff is going to be so high.

However, no one can tell if the loan is illegal unless all the terms are known.
 

guberpl

Junior Member
I did not say I saw anything illegal in it. Very unfair yes, illegal no. I would imagine an auto finance loan would be higher than the price of the vehicle, but not more than twice the value of the car.
 

racer72

Senior Member
It is not illegal to give "unfair" loans. Your friend wanted a car with affordable payments the could meet her credit criteria. She accepted this with her eyes wide open.
 

swalsh411

Senior Member
The vehicle cost, interest rate, and total payments would have been clearly disclosed on the paperwork she signed.
 

Mass_Shyster

Senior Member
If the interest rate is 29 percent, and you borrow $13,000 for 7 years, your total payments will be around $30,000.

Try borrowing from Western Sky and see what that amounts to.
 

You Are Guilty

Senior Member
Someone is going to have to do the math, but here are the statues in play:
GOL §5-501 said:
Rate of interest; usury forbidden. 1. The rate of interest,
as computed pursuant to this title, upon the loan or forbearance of any
money, goods, or things in action, except as provided in subdivisions
five and six of this section or as otherwise provided by law, shall be
[highlight]six per centum per annum unless a different rate is prescribed in
section fourteen-a of the banking law[/highlight].
2. No person or corporation shall, directly or indirectly, charge,
take or receive any money, goods or things in action as interest on the
loan or forbearance of any money, goods or things in action at a rate
exceeding the rate above prescribed. The amount charged, taken or
received as interest shall include any and all amounts paid or payable,
directly or indirectly, by any person, to or for the account of the
lender in consideration for making the loan or forbearance as defined by
the superintendent of financial services pursuant to subdivision three
of section fourteen-a of the banking law except such fee as may be fixed
by the commissioner of taxation and finance as the cost of servicing
loans made by the property and liability insurance security fund.
3. (n/a)
4. Except as otherwise provided by law, interest shall not be charged,
taken or received on any loan or forbearance at a rate exceeding such
rate of interest as may be authorized by law at the time the loan or
forbearance is made, whether or not the loan or forbearance is made
pursuant to a prior contract or commitment providing for a greater rate
of interest, provided, however, that no change in the rate of interest
prescribed in section fourteen-a of the banking law shall affect (a) the
validity of a loan or forbearance made before the date such rate becomes
effective, or (b) the enforceability of such loan or forbearance in
accordance with its terms, except that if any loan or forbearance
provides for an increase in the rate of interest during the term of such
loan or forbearance, the increased rate shall not exceed such rate of
interest as may have been authorized by law at the time such loan or
forbearance was made.
4-a. Notwithstanding the provisions of subdivision four of this
section, a loan or forbearance repayable on demand may provide for
changes, reflecting variations in lending rates, from time to time in
the rate of interest payable on such loan or forbearance up to the rate
of interest authorized by law at the time of such change and in such
case the rate of interest may be so changed in accordance with the terms
of the contract or loan commitment relating thereto; provided, however,
that the rate of interest charged, taken or received on such a loan or
forbearance shall not exceed the rate of interest authorized by law as
it may subsequently be reduced from time to time; and further provided,
however, that in no event shall such a loan or forbearance by subject to
an authorized rate of interest less than that applicable at the time
such loan or forbearance was made. The provisions of this subdivision
shall apply only to a loan or forbearance repayable on demand which has
an initial principal of more than five thousand dollars and which the
borrower has the right to repay at any time in whole or in part,
together with accrued interest on the principal so repaid, without any
penalty. With respect to a loan or forbearance covered by this
subdivision, the lender shall disclose to the borrower in writing not
less often than annually the amount of interest accrued or payable as of
the date of such disclosure and the manner by which such amount was
computed.
5. (n/a)
a. (n/a).
b. (n/a)
7. Except as otherwise expressly provided by law, in the event of
prepayment in full of a loan, any refund of unearned interest to which
the borrower may be entitled may not be computed by a sum of the
balances or similar method but must be determined according to a
generally accepted actuarial method.
BL §14-a said:
Rate of interest; superintendent of financial services to
adopt regulations.
1. The maximum rate of interest provided for in
section 5-501 of the general obligations law shall be [highlight]sixteen per centum
per annum[/highlight]
.
GOL §5-511 said:
Usurious contracts void. 1. All bonds, bills, notes,
assurances, conveyances, all other contracts or securities whatsoever,
except bottomry and respondentia bonds and contracts, and all deposits
of goods or other things whatsoever, whereupon or whereby there shall be
reserved or taken, or secured or agreed to be reserved or taken, any
greater sum, or greater value, for the loan or forbearance of any money,
goods or other things in action, than is prescribed in section 5-501,
shall be void, except that the knowingly taking, receiving, reserving or
charging such a greater sum or greater value by a savings bank, a
savings and loan association or a federal savings and loan association
shall only be held and adjudged a forfeiture of the entire interest
which the loan or obligation carries with it or which has been agreed to
be paid thereon. If a greater sum or greater value has been paid, the
person paying the same or his legal representative may recover from the
savings bank, the savings and loan association or the federal savings
and loan association twice the entire amount of the interest thus paid.
2. Except as provided in subdivision one, whenever it shall
satisfactorily appear by the admissions of the defendant, or by proof,
that any bond, bill, note, assurance, pledge, conveyance, contract,
security or any evidence of debt, has been taken or received in
violation of the foregoing provisions, the court shall declare the same
to be void, and enjoin any prosecution thereon, and order the same to be
surrendered and cancelled.
GOL §5-515 said:
Borrower bringing an action need not offer to repay.
Whenever any borrower of money, goods or things in action, shall begin
an action for the recovery of the money, goods or things in action taken
in violation of the foregoing provisions of this title, it shall not be
necessary for him to pay or offer to pay any interest or principal on
the sum or thing loaned; nor shall any court require or compel the
payment or deposit of the principal sum or interest, or any portion
thereof, as a condition of granting relief to the borrower in any case
of usurious loans forbidden by the foregoing provisions of this title.
NYPL §190.40 said:
Criminal usury in the second degree.
A person is guilty of criminal usury in the second degree when, not
being authorized or permitted by law to do so, he knowingly charges,
takes or receives any money or other property as interest on the loan or
forbearance of any money or other property, at [highlight]a rate exceeding
twenty-five per centum per annum[/highlight] or the equivalent rate for a longer or
shorter period.
Criminal usury in the second degree is a class E felony.
PL §190.45 said:
Possession of usurious loan records.
A person is guilty of possession of usurious loan records when, with
knowledge of the contents thereof, he possesses any writing, paper,
instrument or article used to record criminally usurious transactions
prohibited by section 190.40.
Possession of usurious loan records is a class A misdemeanor.
 

HomeGuru

Senior Member
Well if the OP read the contract, may he/she did not notice that the friend agreed to the deal by signing the contract.
Now it is a matter of reviewing the interest rate and APR to see if it meets with applicable state law.
 

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