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Veronica01

Guest
See reply on the other post. Probably the provider will be sympathetic to your case, probably not. He is under no obligation to shot down the stolen site without an order from the court.
 
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krial

Guest
Also, how is the provider going to know that he stole it from you? The provider could think that maybe you stole it from him instead, and want to make sure you can keep it, and decide against taking it down.
 

JETX

Senior Member
I do have to say that something is strange on this thread.... and that you may be BS'ing us.

1) BOTH sites (yours and the one you claim is 'stolen') provide the same contact information.... phone numbers, FAX numbers, and even email.
2) The site you claim is yours is based in Russia (the 'ru' in the site address).
3) The 'narod.ru' service site is a 'redirect' site. This allows a person to duplicate his information on another server.... and/or to redirect the user to their 'real' website.
4) And finally, the 'smoking gun' (as I see it).....
The registered owner of the site you claim is stolen is:
Thomas Swiss
1054 W. Fry Street
Chicago, IL 60622
Phone: 1-312-942-9161

And guess what.... that is the EXACT same phone number shown on BOTH websites!!
 
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ol212

Guest
Right. I live in Russia in St.Petersburg, and I am a web designer.
I did those two web sites for Mr. Swiss, but he didn't pay me.
The first two versions on the russian servers were the testing versions, but after he changed all the FTP passwords and denied my access, they became a separated versions.

Doesn't it sound like he stolen web sites?

I applied for my copyrigt rights, and once it would be register in a few months I am going to claim to the curt.
Regards, Ol
 

atozcom

Member
No to be picky, but itn't this forum for U.S. laws only. Seem to me you work is perform in Russia and would not be cover under U.S. law!
 
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Veronica01

Guest
ol212 said:
Right. I live in Russia in St.Petersburg, and I am a web designer.
I did those two web sites for Mr. Swiss, but he didn't pay me.
The first two versions on the russian servers were the testing versions, but after he changed all the FTP passwords and denied my access, they became a separated versions.

Doesn't it sound like he stolen web sites?

I applied for my copyrigt rights, and once it would be register in a few months I am going to claim to the curt.
Regards, Ol

Your performance is a work for hire. According to the copyright law in USA, the owner of the copyright is the owner of the product not the developer of the product. You may get the registration of the copyright, I presume with the library of Congress in USA, but that with the presumption that you are the owner of the copyright. In court proceedings you will have to prove that you own the copyright, a certificate of registration isn’t enough for that purpose.

Mr. Swiss is entitled to deny you access to his server. That does not constitute a theft of your work, or your website. You do not have a “theft” claim against him. You may have a claim he did not pay you your fees. For that to be actionable in the court you will have to prove that you have a contract with Mr. Swiss. If you do not have a written contract with Mr. Swiss, forget about the whole thing. If he is a person of integrity he will pay you something.

If you have a contract with Mr. Swiss stating clearly of obligations of both parties, it must be dated and signed by both parties in USA. If it is not signed in USA and you live in Russia, and you performed your work in Russia, a court in USA cannot accept a jurisdiction on the matter except perhaps under the long arm jurisdiction. Do you have any idea how much it costs to make such a lawsuit in USA? If your fees are just a few thousand dollars, you better get the whole thing behind you and go on with your life. This should help you to learn how to do business at distance.
 

JETX

Senior Member
As usual (and expected), Veronica is wrong again.

The worldwide web has opened the issues of copyright to an international arena. And US Copyright law has followed. Currently, the US Copyright laws recognize the:
- "Berne Convention Implementation Act of 1988"
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/appendixii.pdf
- "Uruguay Round Agreements Act"
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/appendixiii.pdf
- "GATT/Trade-Related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights (TRIPs) Agreement, Part II"
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/appendixiv.pdf

So, back to the issue.... the first step I would suggest would be to have an attorney write a 'cease and desist' letter to the offending ISP, asking them to remove the contact from their servers. Most ISP's will comply when they are notified of offending code.

You might also find some interesting information on international copyright violations at:
http://www.laeom.com/copyright_infringement.htm
http://www.copyrightinfringementgroup.com/
http://www.nolo.com/lawcenter/ency/index.cfm/catID/804B85E3-9224-47A9-A7E6B5BD92AACD48#Subtopic179
http://www.internetwk.com/columns/map110998.htm
http://www.cio.com/archive/webbusiness/090198_gray.html
http://www.perilpoint.com/solutions/library/ip0001.html
 
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ol212

Guest
Thank you so much!

I talk with a lawyer about a Cease and Desist Letter. It would be written in two months once I will come to Chicago.
I applied for the copyright rights already.

Would it be better if I will register the logo as my trade mark?
possible this way I can prevent the further use of the logo, although I applied for it copyright already.
Regards, Ol
 

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