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Frank Smith

Junior Member
What is the name of your state?What is the name of your state? New York

I will keep this brief as the rules state and will promptly answer any questions that may not be answered in this post.

Wife and I have been married for 11+ years and have a 4 year old son. We are about to get separated and move apart, and naturally the first thing the wife wants me to do is sign a separation agreement. I'll just list a few points, and I'm curious if these are normal or if I should immediately seek counsel.

*Note - She currently makes over 200k while I make about 75k. Through the term of our marriage she has always made a minimum of 200% my salary. After our son was born we decided it be best for me to be the one to stay home, and I did so for 1 1/2 years. This sidetracked my career in IT and resulted in a lower starting salary when re-employed.

1) 17% off gross paycheck, payable monthly
2) Get life insurance policy w/ son as beneficiary for 500k
3) Covered under her health insurance, immediately refund her for my half monthly
4) Car insurance will remain for now, I must pay her my half
5) $100 per month towards sons college tuition
6) I'm only taking a few items (bed, dresser, 2 chairs, clothing and TV) She wants me to sign away rights to everything else remaining
7) House was purchased 5 years ago for 300k, and we both agree it's best for her to stay here for child. She says she only has to give me half of built equity, which is approximately 50k. Then she wants to deduct half of cost for new refrigerator, stove & microwave installed 2 days ago. Additionally, she wants to spend 10k in a few months replacing back patio - and say's we planned it together and I should be responsible for half.

Please offer any advice or suggestions.

Thank You
 


Shay-Pari'e

Senior Member
Get council right now. This was a long marriage, there is a good income between you both. Do not enter into a seperation without council.

My hubby and I will make over 200 grand this year, and even though Divorce is not in the picture, you can't mess with this kind of income and be scrood.

Get council before signing anything. You need a level head to help you through this.

Good Luck.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
I most emphatically agree with Paradise...but I will comment on your specific points anyway.



Frank Smith said:
1) 17% off gross paycheck, payable monthly
That is about normal but I wouldn't agree to a child support figure until its properly calculated according to your state guidelines.

2) Get life insurance policy w/ son as beneficiary for 500k
Its not unusual to agree to maintain life insurance however at your income level 500,000 seems a bit high

3) Covered under her health insurance, immediately refund her for my half monthly
4) Car insurance will remain for now, I must pay her my half
Probably fair


5) $100 per month towards sons college tuition
Sensible

6) I'm only taking a few items (bed, dresser, 2 chairs, clothing and TV) She wants me to sign away rights to everything else remaining
No no no...not without advice from an attorney


7) House was purchased 5 years ago for 300k, and we both agree it's best for her to stay here for child. She says she only has to give me half of built equity, which is approximately 50k. Then she wants to deduct half of cost for new refrigerator, stove & microwave installed 2 days ago. Additionally, she wants to spend 10k in a few months replacing back patio - and say's we planned it together and I should be responsible for half.
She wants you to be responsible for half the cost of new appliances and a new patio for a house that SHE is keeping???.....NO WAY
 

rmet4nzkx

Senior Member
You should get counsel ASAP however a separation agreement is a part of the NY divorce process & must be completed prior to the separation. Start reading on the net about NY divorce laws. Since you will only be separated, not divorced remember that NY is an equal distribution state so your contributions will be evaluated and taken into consideration and improvements and/or maintenance and will add to your equitity. Insofar as the 17% child support that is about average you can find a child support calculator on the net. $500 life insurance is reasonable considering that you have been unemployed for a number of years so should your death come prematurely, Social security survivor's, only last until 18 would be less, life insurance is a good idea since it can cover your child's time in college if need be, term policy can be had for very reasonable cost. The part about being a stay at home dad while she worked, forget it, we all know that your staying home with your child coinsides with the .com bust and that your child would have been in child care if you had a better paying job and many people in .com/ITwork from home.
State Divorce Laws: New York

RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS AND WHERE TO FILE: If only 1 spouse resides in New York at the time of filing the divorce, the residency requirement is 2 years. However, the requirement is reduced to 1 year if: (1) the spouses were married in New York and either spouse is still a resident; (2) they once resided in New York and either spouse is still a resident; or (3) the grounds for divorce arose in New York. In addition, there is no residency time limit requirement if both of the spouses were residents of New York at the time of filing the divorce and the grounds for divorce arose in New York. The divorce may be filed for in a county where either spouse resides. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 13, Sections 230 and 231 and New York Civil Practice Laws and Rules; Rule 503].

LEGAL GROUNDS FOR DIVORCE: No-Fault: (1) Living separate and apart for 1 year under the terms of a separation agreement which is in writing and signed and notarized [proof of compliance with the terms of the settlement agreement must be submitted when the divorce is filed. In addition, a copy of the agreement or a brief memorandum of the agreement must be filed in the office of the clerk of the county] or (2) living separate and apart for 1 year under the terms of a judicial separation decree. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 10, Section 170 and Article 13, Section 230].

General: (1) Adultery; (2) abandonment for 1 year; (3) imprisonment for 3 or more consecutive years; and (4) cruel and inhuman treatment. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Volume 8, Section 170].

LEGAL SEPARATION: The grounds for legal separation (separation from bed and board) in New York are: (1) adultery; (2) abandonment; (3) imprisonment for 3 or more consecutive years; (4) neglect of and failure to provide support for a wife; and (5) cruel and inhuman treatment. If only 1 spouse resides in New York at the time of filing the legal separation, the residency requirement is 2 years. However, the requirement is reduced to 1 year if: (1) the spouses were married in New York and either spouse is still a resident; (2) they once resided in New York and either spouse is still a resident; or (3) the grounds for legal separation arose in New York. In addition, there is no residency time limit requirement if both of the spouses were residents of New York at the time of filing the legal separation and the grounds for legal separation arose in New York. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 11, Sections 200, 230, and 231].

SIMPLIFIED OR SPECIAL DIVORCE PROCEDURES: A summary divorce may be granted in New York if: (1) the spouses lived apart for 1 year according to the terms of a separation decree or a separation agreement and (2) satisfactory proof is submitted to the court that the spouse seeking the divorce has substantially performed all the terms and conditions of the separation decree or separation agreement. There are sample divorce forms contained in the statute (Forms 1 and 12 for no-fault grounds), including the language necessary to state specific grounds and residency requirements. In addition, New York requires a financial disclosure to be filed in every divorce action. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 10, Section 170 and Article 13, Section 236].

PROPERTY DISTRIBUTION: New York is an "equitable distribution" state. Separate property, including property acquired before a marriage and any gifts or inheritances whenever acquired, is to remain with the spouse who owns it. Separate property also includes any increase in value or property acquired in exchange for separate property. Marital property acquired during the marriage will be equitably divided between the spouses, based on the following factors: (1) the contribution of each spouse to the acquisition of the marital property, including the contribution of each spouse as homemaker; (2) the income and value of each spouse's property at the time of the marriage and at the time of filing for divorce; (3) the probable future economic circumstances of each spouse; (4) the length of the marriage; (5) the age and health of the spouses; (6) the amount and sources of income of the spouses; (7) the probable future financial circumstances of each spouse; (8) the potential loss of inheritance or pension rights upon dissolution of the marriage; (9) whether the property award is instead of or in addition to maintenance; (10) custodial provisions for the children and the need for a custodial parent to occupy the marital home; (11) the type of marital property in question [whether it is liquid or non-liquid]; (12) the impossibility or difficulty of evaluating an interest in an asset such as a business, profession, or corporation and the desirability of keeping such an asset intact and free from interference by the other spouse; (13) the tax consequences to each party; (14) the wasteful dissipation of assets; (15) any transfer of property made in anti-cipation of divorce; (16) any equitable claim that a spouse has in marital property, including joint efforts and expenditures, and contribution and services as a spouse, parent, wage earner, and homemaker, and to the career and career potential of the other spouse; and (17) any other factor necessary to do equity and justice between the spouses. Marital fault may be considered. Financial disclosure of assets and income are mandatory. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 13, Section 236, Part B].

ALIMONY/MAINTENANCE/SPOUSAL SUPPORT: Either spouse may be awarded maintenance, without regard to marital fault, based on a consideration of the following factors: (1) the income and property of the spouses, including any marital property divided as a result of the dissolution of marriage; (2) any transfer of property made in anticipation of divorce; (3) the duration of the marriage; (4) the wasteful dissipation of marital property; (5) the contribution of each spouse to the marriage and the career of the other spouse, including services rendered in homemaking, childcare, education, and career-building of the other spouse; (6) the tax consequences to each spouse; (7) any custodial and child support responsibilities; (8) the ability of the spouse seeking support to become self-supporting and the time and training necessary; (9) any reduced lifetime earning capacity as the result of having foregone or delayed education, training, employment, or career opportunities during the marriage; (10) whether the spouse from whom maintenance is sought has sufficient property and income to provide maintenance for the other spouse; (11) the age and health of both spouses; (12) the present and future earning capacities of both spouses; and (13) any other factor the court deems just and equitable. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 13, Section 236, Part B].

CHILD CUSTODY: Joint or sole child custody is to be determined according to the best interests of the child. Neither parent is entitled to a preference. There are no factors specified in the statute. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 13, Section 240 and New York Case Law].

CHILD SUPPORT: Health insurance coverage may be ordered to be provided. Marital misconduct of either parent is not to be considered. There are specific Child Support Guidelines in the statute and which are presumed to be correct, unless there is a showing that the amount of support would be unjust or inappropriate. The factors to be considered are: (1) the financial resources of the child and the parents; (2) the standard of living the child would have enjoyed if the marriage had not been dissolved; (3) the physical and emotional health of the child and any special needs or aptitudes of the child; (4) the financial resources, needs, and obligations of both the noncustodial and the custodial parent; (5) the tax consequences to each parent; (6) the non-monetary contributions that the parents will make towards the care and well-being of the child; (7) the educational needs of either parent; (8) whether 1 parent's income is substantially less than the other parent's; (8) the needs of other children of the non-custodial parent; (9) if the child does not receive public aid, any extraordinary expenses required for the non-custodial parent to exercise visitation rights; and (10) any other relevant factors. Security may be required for the payments. [Consolidated Laws of New York Annotated; Domestic Relations Law, Article 13, Sections 236-Part B, 240, and 243 and New York Case Law].
 

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