social security and divorce

[sisjhd00]

What is the name of your state? Wa
Wondered if wife can get any of my social security benefits when I retire.I understand she can claim off mine when she reaches a certain age, but wondered if I start receiving before her, can she get a judgment to get part of mine?

[snodderly]

If you were married for over ten years and she has not worked enough to draw her full benefits then she can draw from yours. She won't need a judgement. This is Federal Law and not a civil matter. All she needs is proof of the marriage and length of the marriage and she will automatically start drawing...if she files a claim for it.

When you retired you will draw your full beneifit. When she becomes retirement age, should she decide to claim a portion, then she will be able to do so. Your social security will not be available to her until you have reached retirement age and your account becomes active.

[nextwife]

I've always wondered, if a man had one wife for ten years, another for twenty, both divorced and thus entitled to SS benefits, then still had a minor child at retirement (making THEM also eligible for SS benefits) HOW those funds get allocated? It is very possible. Marry at twenty, divorce at 30, remarry at 31, divorce at 51, remarry at 52, adopt at 53 (like my hubby), reach SS retirement with a minor child still at home.

Oh never mind, don't want to hijack. You just made me wonder.

[PLS]

sisjhd00,

Your Ex's claim wouldn't change your benefit amount. Was that what you are worrying about?

[PLS]

Nextwife,

I think both Ex's are able to draw the same amount. I thought a child was only able to draw if they are disabled or their parent is deceased. Am I incorrect?

The fact that someone receives SS benefits off your record does NOT change the amt. you receive

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by nextwife

I've always wondered, if a man had one wife for ten years, another for twenty, both divorced and thus entitled to SS benefits, then still had a minor child at retirement (making THEM also eligible for SS benefits) HOW those funds get allocated? It is very possible. Marry at twenty, divorce at 30, remarry at 31, divorce at 51, remarry at 52, adopt at 53 (like my hubby), reach SS retirement with a minor child still at home.

Oh never mind, don't want to hijack. You just made me wonder.

If a man married 5 wifes and each marriage lasted more than ten years, then he draws the full amount, along with 5 other people?

No wonder SS is going broke.

The rules have got to change and people need to EARN their way thru life.

[nextwife]

WHY was a thread from 12/2004 resurrected?

[PLS]

fireboat1,

You are correct. I meant to say, "Your ex drawing 'will not' change the amount you draw..." I have edited my post.

PLS

[PLS]

Nextwife,

Probably because I'm new around here and don't know what I am doing.
Sorry 'bout that.

PLS

[PLS]

Originally Posted by Bali Hai

If a man married 5 wifes and each marriage lasted more than ten years, then he draws the full amount, along with 5 other people?

No wonder SS is going broke.

The rules have got to change and people need to EARN their way thru life.

Well, I imagine somebody has to change Social Security somehow, but sometimes there are circumstances where one is not entirely able to earn one's own way.

I know there just has to be a "punch line" for your first comment, but darned if I can think of one!

PLS

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by PLS

Well, I imagine somebody has to change Social Security somehow, but sometimes there are circumstances where one is not entirely able to earn one's own way.

It's gotten far more often these days than "sometimes".

I know there just has to be a "punch line" for your first comment, but darned if I can think of one!

PLS

First comment is not a joke. It could be true.

The money paid into SS by honest workers who expect to be able to live on SS when they are no longer able to work should be there for them.

Instead 5 women are sucking off one mans benefits and never pay in a dime.

Who made that rediculous law anyway?? Probably a woman had nothing to do with it!

[LdiJ]

Originally Posted by Bali Hai

First comment is not a joke. It could be true.

The money paid into SS by honest workers who expect to be able to live on SS when they are no longer able to work should be there for them.

Instead 5 women are sucking off one mans benefits and never pay in a dime.

Who made that rediculous law anyway?? Probably a woman had nothing to do with it!

If your mom was a "housewife" all her life and suddenly (and blindingly) ended up divorced, would you want her to be denied any retirement benefits from the SSA?

If your mom was the widow of someone who made good money, even if she worked after widowhood, would you want her to be denied the right to full benefits upon retirement?

My mom didn't work until we were in high school...and then her salary was earmarked for our college education. She did continue to work afterwords, but she never made more than 20% of what my dad made. They are still together and as a result he collects on his SS and she collects on hers.

However, dad's health is poor....and I am comforted by the fact that she will be able to draw against his earnings when the time comes.

You can't take away the benefits from all of the spouses you see as potential golddiggers....without also taking away the benefits from the spouses who were not.

In my parent's generation (they are in their 70s) most mother's didn't work....I remember feeling sorry for the only kids on our block whose mother wasn't home like mine. It became a little more common place when I was a teen, but still wasn't the "norm".

However...our mothers still encouraged us young women to make careers for ourselves....yet many of my generation still didn't commonly work after the kids came...or at least in the kids early years.

Sadly, today's daycare costs make it almost impossible for some mothers (or fathers depending on the family) to work....plus some of the traditional daycares providers of the past (grandparents or other extended family members) are no longer available because almost EVERYBODY works.

Back in my "glory days" when I had a full time housekeeper....one that I had for 3 years was a college educated neighbor of mine. She brought the proposal to me when I lost one housekeeper. She had calculated it out....if she worked for me she would actually bring home slightly more (after daycare and other expenses) than she brought home working in her profession, PLUS have the added benefit of basically being a stay at home mom to her kids (because of course she could bring them to work with her).

[Bali Hai]

Originally Posted by LdiJ

If your mom was a "housewife" all her life and suddenly (and blindingly) ended up divorced, would you want her to be denied any retirement benefits from the SSA?

If your mom was the widow of someone who made good money, even if she worked after widowhood, would you want her to be denied the right to full benefits upon retirement?

My mom didn't work until we were in high school...and then her salary was earmarked for our college education. She did continue to work afterwords, but she never made more than 20% of what my dad made. They are still together and as a result he collects on his SS and she collects on hers.

However, dad's health is poor....and I am comforted by the fact that she will be able to draw against his earnings when the time comes.

You can't take away the benefits from all of the spouses you see as potential golddiggers....without also taking away the benefits from the spouses who were not.

In my parent's generation (they are in their 70s) most mother's didn't work....I remember feeling sorry for the only kids on our block whose mother wasn't home like mine. It became a little more common place when I was a teen, but still wasn't the "norm".

However...our mothers still encouraged us young women to make careers for ourselves....yet many of my generation still didn't commonly work after the kids came...or at least in the kids early years.

Sadly, today's daycare costs make it almost impossible for some mothers (or fathers depending on the family) to work....plus some of the traditional daycares providers of the past (grandparents or other extended family members) are no longer available because almost EVERYBODY works.

Back in my "glory days" when I had a full time housekeeper....one that I had for 3 years was a college educated neighbor of mine. She brought the proposal to me when I lost one housekeeper. She had calculated it out....if she worked for me she would actually bring home slightly more (after daycare and other expenses) than she brought home working in her profession, PLUS have the added benefit of basically being a stay at home mom to her kids (because of course she could bring them to work with her).

Oh Mom, you know I have a soft spot for you.

But reality is this: There are more people taking than giving. And I see those people who don't need but scheme to get as TAKERS, and not the poor divorcee or widower.

We should deal with those TAKERS harshly!

5 women collecting on one mans benefits should not be allowed, period!

The poor divorcee or widower or people who really and truly need the money are not who I'm referring to.

It's late, Night Mom.

How true it is that SS has a major problem with people taking and not giving.To true are the stories of those whom came to the US and got right on the SS roles one way or another. One of the biggest insults you can witness is the ability to receive SSDI benefits easier because you dont speak English.Guess what,give em' 6 mos. of bennies and make learn English.Oh,but the libs and aclu would be on it like flies on s--T.I live in Fl. and know someone that is on SSDI,in his 40's does yard work for cash.Admits he was told tosay he only speaks spanish when he applied.But my uncle was turned down 3x,even at the judge stage .He had triple bypass and has a pacemaker. Atty claims he will win,but he has lost everything,including his dignity. Worked since he was able to have a paper route.Which by the way,kids dont do anymore.I and we have spoiled em rotten.