Denial to treatment

What is the name of your state? WI

My husband is a repeat OWI offender. His latest offense was driving a motorcycle with a BAC of .11. He was diagnosed with ADHD and depression before serving his sentence. He has been denied access to prison AODA programs because he is on psychotropic meds. He has been denied parole because he has not completed the AODA programs that they will not allow him to attend. The parole commissioner who denied his parole "died" while under investigation for child pornography and child molestation. Any suggestions on how to undo the refusal of his parole? Thank you!

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

Originally posted by fscott824
What is the name of your state? WI

My husband is a repeat OWI offender. His latest offense was driving a motorcycle with a BAC of .11.

Any suggestions on how to undo the refusal of his parole?

My response:

Now, why would we do that?

Believe me, he's where he should be. As the "repeat OWI offender" that he is, just why would we want him out?

IAAL

Just perhaps you might be smart enough to realize that he is going to get out someday. Just perhaps you might see the wisdom in treating his dual diagnosis rather than wasting taxpayers dollars by doing nothing more than interrupting his behavior. Perhaps society would be better off if you spent your nights looking for a redhead, or better yet, reading some peer reviewed literature or SAMHSA's (Substance Abuse Mental Health Service Agency-division of the US DHHS) recommendation about treatment vs incarceration. Try being part of the solution instead of the problem!

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

Originally posted by fscott824
Just perhaps you might be smart enough to realize that he is going to get out someday. Just perhaps you might see the wisdom in treating his dual diagnosis rather than wasting taxpayers dollars by doing nothing more than interrupting his behavior. Perhaps society would be better off if you spent your nights looking for a redhead, or better yet, reading some peer reviewed literature or SAMHSA's (Substance Abuse Mental Health Service Agency-division of the US DHHS) recommendation about treatment vs incarceration. Try being part of the solution instead of the problem!

My response:

No, my dear. If he has medical problems, he can pay for the treatment himself. I'm not going to spend my money on some drunk. No, dearie. He's where he should be. The longer he's behind bars, the greater the chances are that some child won't be killed by him.

. . . and, I'll be damned if I'm going to assist him to get out early. As far as I'm concerned, drunk drivers can rot behind bars for the rest of their lives.

IAAL

Just for the record, Dearie, he WAS going to pay for his treatment--the appropriate treatment for his co-morbidities. However, our state would rather employ prison guards who can do nothing more than perpetuate the behavior.

Just for the record, the majority of drunk driving fatalities are caused by individuals who have never been arrested for OWI. (Source: MADD)

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

Originally posted by fscott824
Just for the record, Dearie, he WAS going to pay for his treatment--the appropriate treatment for his co-morbidities. However, our state would rather employ prison guards who can do nothing more than perpetuate the behavior.

Just for the record, the majority of drunk driving fatalities are caused by individuals who have never been arrested for OWI. (Source: MADD)

My response:

Oh, then by all means, he should be out.

Look, I don't give a rat's ass if he has AHDABCO or XYZHDAHAH disease. Everybody's got some sort of medical problem. But, you know what, surprisingly, no one ever knows about it until they're behind bars. And, if the criminal can't come up with the "disease of the month", then they "find God."

The only reason why Arizona, and all the other States need "guards" is because of jerks like your husband. If your husband spent his money on treatment, rather than motorcycles, he wouldn't be where he is today.

So, what "guarantee" can you give me, that when he gets out, he'll get the treatment he needs and "wants", and never drive until he's sufficiently "cured"?

You're doing him an injustice by giving him hope. He's not getting out. The longer he's behind bars, the greater the chances are that some child won't be killed by him.

IAAL

He should not have been spending that money on alcohol. He should have been spending it on treatment.

Drunk drivers should be treated as attempted involuntary manslaughter. They don't "intend" to kill someone, yet risked lives beyond reasonable anyway. Perhaps if he stays there for a while, he will come to regret what he did. Obviously repeat arrests hasn't detered him.

What I don't understand is why so many alcoholics blame other people or situations for their problems.
This is definitely not true for every alcoholic, but it is true for a lot of them.
In the case of my father, he to this day (he's 57) won't admit he has a problem.
He drinks because of work pressures, family pressures, the divorce, his wife's remarriage, unemployment, Arbor Day, nothing on TV, the Braves losing a game, etc.

NEVER because he's an alcoholic!

For the poster's sake, I sincerely hope none of that sounds familiar.

Originally posted by ahutchGA
In the case of my father, he to this day (he's 57) won't admit he has a problem.
He drinks because of work pressures, family pressures, the divorce, his wife's remarriage, unemployment, Arbor Day, nothing on TV, the Braves losing a game, etc.

NEVER because he's an alcoholic!

For the poster's sake, I sincerely hope none of that sounds familiar.

Hey we must be related. you just described my Bio-dad. ha ha sorry I couldn't resist. Kathie

[stephenk]

what treatment was he receiving between his multiple arrests? Did he already have a psychiatrist or psychologist treating him before his latest arrest?

If the answers are none and no, then why should we believe you when you say he is being denied treatment when it looks like he never wanted treatment.

If he only wants to get in the treatment program so he can get out early but not benefit from the program, then screw him. When he gets out make sure he goes directly to a treatment center and not home. Sell his motorcycle and other vehicles and get him a bus pass.

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

Originally posted by stephenk
what treatment was he receiving between his multiple arrests? Did he already have a psychiatrist or psychologist treating him before his latest arrest?

If the answers are none and no, then why should we believe you when you say he is being denied treatment when it looks like he never wanted treatment.

If he only wants to get in the treatment program so he can get out early but not benefit from the program, then screw him. When he gets out make sure he goes directly to a treatment center and not home. Sell his motorcycle and other vehicles and get him a bus pass.

My response:

Yaaaaaay, Stephen !

I think we should glue our Bar cards together . . . or, perhaps we can mate them, and be the proud parents of baby Bar cards !

IAAL

Not one of you replied to the issue of the question and that is the prison system. Now, we cannot all be born with a silver spoon in our mouth and live in glass houses. Sometimes bad people do really bad things and sometimes good people do bad things, intentionally or unintentionally. Regardless, that is the purpose of the prisons, in contrast to your glass house. If the attitude you show in this forum is typical of what you teach, then it is no wonder there are so many bad attorneys with their hand out and deaf ears. However in this forum you can't have your hand out so it has been replaced with bashing people. I have not seen you offer one shred of true advice, just time spent bashing people. The legal system is not perfect nor are those in it. I was ignorant before thinking your profession commanded respect but when the profession contains attitudes of hands out for money, deaf ears when the client is not listened to and in general those who "think they walk on water" those are the ones who need a reality check. Unfortunately I had the need for a criminal attorney and after the attorney refused to return phone calls, of course after he was paid, and he then banned me from his office after I had hired him for my husband, it wasn't until the case had ended and I happened to read some documents which makes it appear that the attorney was in the back pocket of the investigators. Now, a flaw in the system, try getting an attorney investigated when you are not an attorney. But, having done more homework, there is a way. What goes around comes around and those who live in glass houses should remember that.

FScott,

It's always the other person, isn't it?

Post 1: "The parole commissioner who denied his parole 'died' while under investigation for child pornography and child molestation."

Post 2: (Directed toward IAAL) "Just perhaps you might see the wisdom in treating his dual diagnosis rather than wasting taxpayers dollars by doing nothing more than interrupting his behavior...Try being part of the solution instead of the problem! "

Post 3:"However, our state would rather employ prison guards who can do nothing more than perpetuate the behavior."

Post 4:"Not one of you replied to the issue of the question and that is the prison system."
(I thought the issue was reversing your husband's parole!)

Post 4:"Unfortunately I had the need for a criminal attorney and after the attorney refused to return phone calls, of course after he was paid, and he then banned me from his office after I had hired him for my husband, it wasn't until the case had ended and I happened to read some documents which makes it appear that the attorney was in the back pocket of the investigators."

FScott, I'm sorry that no one is telling you what you want to hear. But your husband hasn't learned from his mistakes and it's NO ONE's fault but his own. Nobody in the judicial system or on this board made him drive under the influence.

And for the record, glass is too hot here in Georgia. I live in a comfortable 2 bedroom wooden apartment, thank you.

[Rochelle]

Now you look "dearie". First of all, he was driving drunk. Face it. HE BROKE THE LAW, and not for the first time. No, we have no advice for you. I hope he stays where he is for a long time and sobers up and "finds Christ" or "gets medication" or whatever the hell it is those people claim once they get behind bars.

We very nearly lost one of our best officers to a repeated drunk driver with a chip on his shoulder. It wasn't his first offense either and he'd gotten paroled early too.

YOU need to get help yourself. You are obviously not in your right mental state if you think he deserves anything more than serving his time. If you love this guy so much, you need to make sure he understands he was WRONG and society does not need another drunk driver on the road. Is it going to take his funeral to make you see that?

[stephenk]

fscott824, you didnt answer my post. Was he getting treatment for his mental problems before he was sent to jail?