Dui

[Jim_bo]

Originally Posted by ERAUPIKE

The universal standard is .08 and that is the ed of it. There are a variety of other laws that control the other aspects of driving. There is no law against driving mad, but there is against driving recklessly. There is no law against driving too many miles, unless you are a long haul trucker then you are limited to the amount of time you can spend driving a day. There is no law against driving into a congested new area but if you cause an accident by breaking a traffic law you will be cited. I think the ability to discuss this is hard because you are stuck in your perception that drinking and driving is socially acceptable. The examples you are giving are not in the same family as ingesting a controlled substance that alters your perception. Once you realize that and stop flaming these threads, you may take that time to research the issue further. Then you can go to the local college and have an objective debate with well thought out arguments and reliable citations.

Wow... you aren't even trying to read my posts, are you? Let me see if I can make things simpler for you:

1. Drinking and driving IS acceptable in our society... up to .08 BAC

2. The comparison of drinking and driving to driving while sleepy, angry, too many miles, etc. is simply to point out that we all drive in an impaired condition on a regular basis. We simply choose to prosecute alcohol because there is a way to measure it.

3. Expressing an opinion as opinion in a non-threatening manner is not flaming. However, the same may not be true for your post.

[Jim_bo]

Originally Posted by ERAUPIKE

If you said it then it must be true. Speed and BAC are not similar in reference to your argument. Speed is used to safely control the flow of traffic. BAC is used to gauge an individuals current ability to operate a motor vehicle. I don't want to participate because of two reasons;
1) This is not the place for your flawed argument
2) You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about

If you don't want to participate, why are you participating??

[FlyingRon]

Originally Posted by Jim_bo

1. Drinking and driving IS acceptable in our society... up to .08 BAC

Nope it isn't. .08 is only the prima facie limit. It's possible to get a DUI with a lower (or even NO) reading.

[Jim_bo]

Originally Posted by FlyingRon

Nope it isn't. .08 is only the prima facie limit. It's possible to get a DUI with a lower (or even NO) reading.

You can drive under the speed limit and still get a ticket for speeding. However, for purpose of discussion, the speed limit is the maximum speed you can legally drive.

So... you can nit-pick if you like, but you CAN have alcohol in your system and NOT be guilty of DUI.

[BigMistakeFl]

Nope it isn't. .08 is only the prima facie limit. It's possible to get a DUI with a lower (or even NO) reading.

Thank you for making my point more clear. The "legal limit" can lend a false sense of security to drivers who have a couple drinks, that they are within the boundaries because they don't know what their BAC is and they judge themselves to be unimpaired. Any per se prima facie legal limit is not acceptable, unless we provide drivers with a way to measure their impairment. Reduce or abolish the legal limit.

[smemily]

Originally Posted by cyjeff

And your statistical proof that old people are responsible for more accidents than drunk drivers would be where?

Knowingly "dumbing down" your ability to drive and then driving anyway is not a political point... it is a logical one. You do NOT have to drive after drinking. You make a choice.

Debating whether a drunken young person is actually drunk is a study in circular logic. There has to be a benchmark. Most people would agree that when you drink enough so that eight percent of your blood is alcohol, you are there.

If you don't like it, write your congressman/woman.

Nobody's going to point out that by the time 8% of your blood is alcohol, you're dead 20x over?
There's a 100x difference between "8%" and ".08%". Nobody has ever drunk to the point that their blood was 8% alcohol. The [url=http://www.totaldui.com/dui_articles_highest_bac.htm]current record[/url] is .72%. Most people are dead between .35% and .40%.

[paguy88]

Nobody has ever drunk to the point that their blood was 8% alcohol.

I am sure someone has they are just not around to tell us about it.

[FlyingRon]

Originally Posted by smemily

. Most people are dead between .35% and .40%.

I've seen people die at 0.21%. I have had a guy quite alive and lucid talking to me in the ER at 0.42%. That's the highest I ever saw in practice, dead or alive.

[BigMistakeFl]

I counseled a young man in the ER who had a BAC of 0.32. He could carry on a conversation, though it was beligerent at best. His accident left his scrotum swollen to the size of a football. So obnoxious was he that one Dr threatenned to cut <them> off!

[41tellthetruth]

I found a guy passed out (suprise) in the McDonalds bathroom who was a .661 by blood. He told doctors he was drying to kill himself by drinking.

[AHA]

Does anyone want to be surrounded by drunk (at ANY level) drivers??????? If not, treat other drivers the way you want to be treated, i.e., don't drink and drive!
No one is forced to drink and drive.