DUI caused lost of job :(

What is the name of your state? California

My Friend was hired by Kaiser (medical Facility) recently and then about 2 weeks latter when she was to start her training they called and told her she wasn't hired any more because she has a DUI on her record. The DUI is approx 3-4 years old ......We know this stays on her record for 7 years but can it really be held against her and stop her form getting a job? She paid her dues and has learned her lesson and her record has been clean ever since. Or did this happen because it's a medical facility?

TIA
Jenny

[HomeGuru]

Originally posted by thumperx2
What is the name of your state? California

My Friend was hired by Kaiser (medical Facility) recently and then about 2 weeks latter when she was to start her training they called and told her she wasn't hired any more because she has a DUI on her record. The DUI is approx 3-4 years old ......We know this stays on her record for 7 years but can it really be held against her and stop her form getting a job? She paid her dues and has learned her lesson and her record has been clean ever since. Or did this happen because it's a medical facility?

TIA
Jenny

**A: yes it can. Your friend is not telling you the truth in that a background check was a condition of employment. The employment offer was subject to a clean record. Tell her to continue looking for a job.

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

Originally posted by thumperx2
What is the name of your state? California

My Friend was hired by Kaiser (medical Facility) recently and then about 2 weeks latter when she was to start her training they called and told her she wasn't hired any more because she has a DUI on her record. The DUI is approx 3-4 years old ......We know this stays on her record for 7 years but can it really be held against her and stop her form getting a job? She paid her dues and has learned her lesson and her record has been clean ever since. Or did this happen because it's a medical facility?

TIA
Jenny

My response:

This is what happens to criminals - - and your friend, whether she wants to believe it or not, is a criminal. And, I don't know where you received the information that "it stays on her record for 7 years". She's an adult, and it stays on her permanent record for the rest of her life!

It doesn't matter that it was a medical facility (and if you're calling Kaiser a medical facility, please don't tell jokes). A background check could have occurred with ANY employer. I imagine she's going to be running into this problem no matter where she applies for a job - - even at McDonald's.

IAAL

Homeguru thanks for the reply.


and by the way IAAL : everyone makes mistakes especially when they are kids , it doesn't make them criminals**************it's just part of growing up.

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

Originally posted by thumperx2
Homeguru thanks for the reply.


and by the way IAAL : everyone makes mistakes especially when they are kids , it doesn't make them criminals**************it's just part of growing up.

My response:

No, my dear, everyone does NOT make "mistakes" like being a drunk driver - - whether they're young or old. If that were the case, under your definition, then ALL of us would have "Drunk Driving" records, and all of us would be "criminals" in some respect.

But, if you want to wrap yourself in that blanket, and feel warm and fuzzy, that's your business. But, I've learned over the years that it doesn't matter whether you're alone in the boat, or with an entire crowd of people. It still doesn't make the crime any better or easier. And, I'm obviously correct because even your friend's potential employer thought so - - and wouldn't hire her as a result.

Oh, and why do you think "Driving Under the Influence" is in the California Penal Code? Could it be that, perhaps, it's a "crime"?

So, in summary, driving drunk doesn't have to be, nor is it, a "part of growing up." Go ahead, and feel warm and fuzzy.

IAAL

IAAL:

Maybe if you read my reply instead of jumping the gun, you would see that I said "everyone makes mistakes especially when they are kids , it doesn't make them criminals**************it's just part of growing up" Not once did I say every kid drives drunk and it's part of growing up**************. Maybe the mistakes aren't all the same and some can be worse than others and none of the mistakes are acceptable...but really you should learn not everyone is perfect or correct all of the time and mistakes can teach lessons. Just clarfication**************I am personally very much against driving drunk but that doesn't mean just because I'm against it that I have to believe that people can't change or learn from the mistake either.

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

Originally posted by thumperx2
IAAL:

Maybe if you read my reply instead of jumping the gun, you would see that I said "everyone makes mistakes especially when they are kids , it doesn't make them criminals**************it's just part of growing up" Not once did I say every kid drives drunk and it's part of growing up**************. Maybe the mistakes aren't all the same and some can be worse than others and none of the mistakes are acceptable...but really you should learn not everyone is perfect or correct all of the time and mistakes can teach lessons. Just clarfication**************I am personally very much against driving drunk but that doesn't mean just because I'm against it that I have to believe that people can't change or learn from the mistake either.

My response:

Okay, then I'll clarify it for you - - Not all of us commit crimes.

Whether people "can change" or not, is not the point. The point of your original post was that this DUI is still affecting your friend, and her potential employer doesn't give a damn whether she's "changed" or not. The point being - - she WASN'T hired due to her criminal record AND her criminal record will be following her until she dies.

Stop making excuses for your friend. She's a criminal whether you, or she, want to believe it. That's why she was arrested, tried and convicted. And that's why she WASN'T hired. Don't you get it?

Geez, this is a REAL simple concept.

IAAL

IAAL


Get over it**************.People make bad decisions everyday, some worse than others. I was simply stating that everyone can learn from their decisions good or bad. Obvisously we understand why she wasn't hired, my "POINT" was if this was mainly because it is a medical facility. And yes I received an answer to that question. Yes she broke the law and yes she has paid dearly for her bad decison, but this does not make her a bad person in general. So get over your rudness**************No one is perfect.....

[JETX]

My $0.02 worth on this...

1) Personally, I doubt that she was terminated for the DUI (thought it is possible). Far more likely that she was terminated for lying..... bet she answered "no" on the question: "Have you ever been charged or convicted of a crime?".

2) Also, 'thump' said, "everyone makes mistakes especially when they are kids , it doesn't make them criminals". I agree that not all mistakes make 'kids' criminals. But that clearly doesn't apply in this case, since she wasn't a 'kid' when she was charged, and she was charged and convicted of a CRIME! That makes HER a criminal. Now, if she had played hookey, or even 'Prince Albert' somebody, those are 'childhood pranks' and don't make you a criminal. DWI does.

JETX



While I appreciate the two cents worth please don't assume things.

I never said she lied on the application.

I never said that she was an adult when this happened.


For clarfication:

She DID NOT Lie.

She was a MINOR when the offense happened.

[HomeGuru]

Good grief, can you thump on back to Garden Grove already?

[JETX]

"She DID NOT Lie."
*** So, you are saying that she TOLD them about the DWI/DUI on the application then got fired when they 'found' out about it??? Simply, makes NO sense, does it??? Trust me, she lied about it.

"She was a MINOR when the offense happened."
*** So, your saying that this DWI conviction happened in JUVENILE court, right?? If that is the case, then how did the employer find the ADULT record??? Juvenile court records are sealed.

Simply, your assumptions of the assumptions is clearly a false assumption.

I'm having another Coheba, a rum punch (without the rum) and see if I can peddle a straight line back to the hotel This story sounds like happy hour here at the hotel.

[JETX]

Hexy... welcome back! How's the sea legs??

[Son of Slam]

Originally posted by hexeliebe
I'm having another Coheba, a rum punch (without the rum) .

Are you sure that's not a cigar?