Repeat Offender

What is the name of your state? MO First off this is a ADVICE forum. If you want to insult me, don't bother it goes in one ear and out the other. You are not Angelic enough to hurt my feelings. I am 35, when I was a 17-18-19 yes I had my problems and a dui (in IL) each year to match. It has been a long hard road, but I have succeeded at straightening out my life. The situation now is IL is not forgiving of my efforts to fix myself. They have held my license for 18 years. I know all the mealy advice, get a lawyer, go to AA, so that's a waste to. I have been researching the laws and cannot find answers to some ?'s. 1. Since my dui's were in 84-85-86, isn't IL suppose to judge me by the laws that were in place then??? If IL can use recent laws against me, dont they have to be the laws pertaining to underage drinkers, as there is now a whole set of laws for the teens. 2. Are there any websites where I can find the OLD LAWS. 3. I was told that Govenor Ryan (IL), his brother in-law was driving drunk and killed his passenger. That Ryan got pissed cause the dui's laws he (RYAN) made so severe were going to lock his brother in-law up, when Ryan found out he could not keep bro in-law out of prison he threatened to close down all the prisons, stop agriculture, basically shut down the state. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this??? If so what is bro in-laws name so I can look it up??? I have checked the IL websites and cannot find anything negative about Ryan, except for campaigne misuse (all politicians are guilty of that). I do know for a fact that Ryan is not running for re-election, and most people I talk to believe he will pardon bro-inlaw before he leaves office. Childish as this sounds, if bro in-law can kill someone, and I never hurt anyone but myself when I was drinking, well D$%# IT, I WANT A PARDON TOO!!! Don't waste your breath telling me to grow up.

[HomeGuru]

[quote]Originally posted by ChiTownLady
[b]What is the name of your state? MO First off this is a ADVICE forum. If you want to insult me, don't bother it goes in one ear and out the other. You are not Angelic enough to hurt my feelings. I am 35, when I was a 17-18-19 yes I had my problems and a dui (in IL) each year to match. It has been a long hard road, but I have succeeded at straightening out my life. The situation now is IL is not forgiving of my efforts to fix myself. They have held my license for 18 years. I know all the mealy advice, get a lawyer, go to AA, so that's a waste to. I have been researching the laws and cannot find answers to some ?'s. 1. Since my dui's were in 84-85-86, isn't IL suppose to judge me by the laws that were in place then??? If IL can use recent laws against me, dont they have to be the laws pertaining to underage drinkers, as there is now a whole set of laws for the teens. 2. Are there any websites where I can find the OLD LAWS. 3. I was told that Govenor Ryan (IL), his brother in-law was driving drunk and killed his passenger. That Ryan got pissed cause the dui's laws he (RYAN) made so severe were going to lock his brother in-law up, when Ryan found out he could not keep bro in-law out of prison he threatened to close down all the prisons, stop agriculture, basically shut down the state. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this??? If so what is bro in-laws name so I can look it up??? I have checked the IL websites and cannot find anything negative about Ryan, except for campaigne misuse (all politicians are guilty of that). I do know for a fact that Ryan is not running for re-election, and most people I talk to believe he will pardon bro-inlaw before he leaves office. Childish as this sounds, if bro in-law can kill someone, and I never hurt anyone but myself when I was drinking, well D$%# IT, I WANT A PARDON TOO!!! Don't waste your breath telling me to grow up.

**A: then don't grow up.

[stephenk]

First, try and get a copy of your dui convictions for those 3 years. The information in the files may shed light on your current problems.

What was the sentencing in regard to your driver's license? Was it suspended, revoked or what? Have you been licensed at all in the past 18 years?

What is the current reason the Illinois DMV is not granting you a driver's license? What are they telling you. Have you received any correspondence from them regarding them denying you your driver's license.

"And I never hurt anyone but myself when I was drinking"
I can not believe your 35 and can believe this is true. Look at the lives you did put in danger. Any all your time in court which is taking up tax dollars to pay for the judge for your mistakes, or all the time the police pulled you over. Sir you hurt the whole state or IL and all the visitors around the world that stop through and pay taxes. Just because you didn't kill any one that does not justify your actions.
Your do the crime you do the time.
"Ryan found out he could not keep bro in-law out of prison he threatened to close down all the prisons, stop agriculture, basically shut down the state. Does anyone know if there is any truth to this???" NO Ryan can do this.
You shouldn't compare your problems to others. Laws will never be all drunk drivers free unless you kill someone. Pre active not re active.
To help you a little. Yes if under the old laws, you are under the old laws depending on the changes they made and if they can date back.
"I know all the mealy advice, get a lawyer, go to AA, so that's a waste to. I have been researching the laws and cannot find answers to some ?'s. 1. Since my dui's were in 84-85-86"
How is AA a waste maybe if you took it in 84 you would not have had problems in 85 or 86. And a Lawyer a waste? They can find the answers to the questions you can't. Think about it. They can find the old laws for you.
Being 35 I hope if you do get your license back, but I also hope you never drink and drive again. But you should not ask for a pardon just because you didn't kill anyone. Think about it. And I hope you realized that you did hurt more than just your self. Think of family and friends that you could not drive around because of your mistakes or family and friends that had to drive you around for your mistakes. Think about who ever had to pay your court fees and fines as well as the people who took you there to do it. Think about how lucky no one was hurt in 84, 85, and 86. 87 might not have been so lucky. Considering you didn't learn the other two years. Put your self in someone else’s shoes. What if in 99, 00, 01 I had DUI's and was given my license back because I didn't kill anyone and in 02 wasn't so lucky and killed someone very close to you. How would you feel about it?

"Don't waste your breath telling me to grow up. "

As Home Guru said
" Then don't grow up."

To Stephenk, thank you for using this forum for its intended purpose, ADVICE, not opinion. To the other two Veryhard and Home, opinions are like a$$#@!&s everybody has one. You dont want to know my opinion of people who are so LIFE LESS, they have nothing better to do then use a ADVICE forum to get attention with their unwanted OPINIONS. O' wait Very did try to help just a lil', more opinion then anything else tho. Stephenk, I have been in contact with IL. My license was revoked with reinstatement eligibilty 10/1992. The current status is again waiting for IL to make a decision on reinstatement. I have submitted all paperwork, sent it certified mail so they couldn't claim they never got it or lost it (IL has been famous for this). My paperwork was full and complete, including letters from sponsors and AA members. To date my last correspondence with IL, is a letter saying they received my paper work, that processing it is lengthy. In other words sit and wait some more. I have been licensed in other states, TX, NC, and KY. They are all clean. Since the enactment of the National Database or five state database whatever it is, I am not exactly sure how that works yet, anyway IL with the database has put a hold, not suspension on my KY license, KY wont allow IL to dictate their laws yet thank god. Unlike missouri where I am now, MO has their nose stuck so far up IL's butt they will never see daylight. So here I live in MO but keep a KY license. I have not attempted to get a MO license, I wont chance them taking my KY and leaving me nothing. I have no other way to get to AA, which is something IL insists dui people do. What IL has told me to do, is a current alcohol evaluation which I have done, send that and letters from AA members also done, send them $50 and wait. I am currently waiting for IL to get thru my paperwork and make a decision.

[Bravo8]

Chi-

Do you actually ever read what you type? They now have these wonderful little inventions called PARAGRAPHS.

Touche!

I see Bra is two peas in a pod with Hom

[Bravo8]

How come I am so special as to be TWO peas? I feel all warm and fuzzy inside.....






Your posts are extremely difficult to read. That's a pet peeve of mine. Apparently what you have to say isn't important enough for you to make it look presentable.





Oh, and it looks like Jazz is another pea. Man this is a big pod!

[Rochelle]

You know, Bravo8 and HomeGuru, I don't think being stuck in a pod with you two would be so bad!

Anyway, don't waste anymore time with this one. Another crybaby who doesn't think she should be punished, or at least not very much. I've been reading and not responding lately just because all the posts seem to be the same thing.

[HomeGuru]

[quote]Originally posted by Rochelle
[b]You know, Bravo8 and HomeGuru, I don't think being stuck in a pod with you two would be so bad!

Anyway, don't waste anymore time with this one. Another crybaby who doesn't think she should be punished, or at least not very much. I've been reading and not responding lately just because all the posts seem to be the same thing.

**A: Yeah Baby, pods are mod.
Anyway I'm getting rid of CryTownCrazy.

[Bravo8]

Originally posted by Rochelle
You know, Bravo8 and HomeGuru, I don't think being stuck in a pod with you two would be so bad!

Sssssshhhhhh......don't tell my wife.

And another pea has just entered the pod!

I visit this forum regularly to look up information. I am trying to decide if I should change my profession form Education to Law. I have had this interest for a long time, but the $ are not in my favor. I see, for the sake of my insanity, my best bet is to stay away from THIS board, I suppose. All the things I work my butt off to teach my students, most of the people here are oblivious too...compassion, sympathy, self-discipline...there is a way to reprimand someone for wrong doing. There is a way to offer advice WITHOUT asking like a child, passing judgements and...well...face it, being SNOBS.

I lost someone dear to me--a good friend--because of a drunk driver. I have a nephew who is paralyzed from the waist down, because his car was hit by a drunk driver. On that same note, I have a nephew who was shot in the head, a brother, and a boyfriend, who was stabbed. Do I hate the people who hurt my loved ones? Am I on a board rendering judgements as if I am God?

None of us are perfect and yes, some of us make really stupid mistakes over and over again, and YES we should be DISCIPLINED for our errors. But, please...do us all a favor...save this board for those of us who want REAL advice. Those of us who want information about things that could help others as well as ourselves. Some of us read your nasty messages and feel great despair, because we have to tell kids that grown-ups are often just as silly as children. This is the reason my students act racist. This is the reason my students are sexist. This is the reason OUR kids don't care, and have so much hate. They get it from grown ups. Somewhat disheartening, when most Americans only want others to sympathize, forgive, and HELP us make ourselves better citizens of the United States.

I don't see THE LAW on this board. I see HATE....and it makes me sad...

Bottom line--CHITOWN--the ONLY way you are going to expunge your past errors is to get a GOOD attorney who is willing to show you as well as tell you exactly how to handle the situation. Your work in progress will involve some travel, which means you will have to go to Illinois. Yes, IL is a very hard state to deal with, politically, but there is no other way around it. And, be careful with how much of yourself you reveal, okay? When you want advice, carefully think through your question. Maybe even do like some of my students...put your question in third person format, instead of the first person perspective. Some info is better left between you and an attorney. Not only are people judgemental, the plaintiff--Illinois--can use this board against you.

Also, you have to make the extra effort to PROVE you are reformed. Yes, you have to PROVE, it's just the way it is. Saying you have a license in another state that you haven't switch over for years will not look good. I know, I know, you feel like you have no other choice, but you have to sacrifice now, in order to achieve the means. Do you understand?

AA will ONLY help, IF the attorney feels it will make you look good to the judge, so seek legal council from a lawyer, and don't give up. This board will help you none.

Don't say, "This won't work, or that won't work," just because it didn't the first three times you tried. You can't quit. Not if it really means anything to you. Not if you are truly sorry for what you have done. Also, volunteer at an AA meeting or a chemical dependency clinic. Share your story with others so they won't make your mistakes. Accept your guilt. It purifies. THIS is how you make it all better. There will be a realy big scar, but the above might serve as a comfortable bandaid.

"Accept your guilt. It purifies. THIS is how you make it all better. There will be a realy big scar, but the above might serve as a comfortable bandaid." teacher

This maybe good advice but I don't see how someone can do this when they do not feel or think they did anything wrong.

"None of us are perfect and yes, some of us make really stupid mistakes over and over again, and YES we should be DISCIPLINED for our errors." teacher

That speaks for its self. And if you did realize things or who you where hurting you know what you did. Come one ask your self if you drove somewhere and you knew you where going to drink you knew how you where going to leave. That is pre-planed. Do I have empathy for someone who pre plans a crime?

"Some of us read your nasty messages and feel great despair, because we have to tell kids that grown-ups are often just as silly as children. This is the reason my students act racist. This is the reason my students are sexist. This is the reason OUR kids don't care, and have so much hate. They get it from grown ups. Somewhat disheartening, when most Americans only want others to sympathize, forgive, and HELP us make ourselves better citizens of the United States. " teacher

Wow if this deturnmens your students behavior that is werid. I work directy with atrisk and adjudicated youth as a counselor for several several years. Never once during a life story did the fact that an adult acting like a child influence any of the students to do what they did. In being a teacher you should know that you should not justify someones actions that they have to be accountable for them selfs. I work for the state and we use this behaivor as a thinking error called blamming. Everyone knows the difference between right and wrong. They chose wrong because they have a lack of self disipline. Your students should be realizing they make they own choices and have to be responsiable for what ever they chose instead of blamming it on someone esle's behavior. "I raped this girl or shot this guy or stole this car because I knew an adult that acted childish yeah the judge is going to just let him go. come on. If anything is wrong with american it is that people are use to haveing someone else stick up for them and justify there actions. and they blam it on someth9ing or someone else and can not take responsiablity for there own actions. Plus acting like a child everyonce in a will is not that bad. I do it all the time when I play with my nephews and they seem to love it and think it is fine.


"Yes, IL is a very hard state to deal with, politically, but there is no other way around it. And, be careful with how much of yourself you reveal, okay? When you want advice, carefully think through your question. Maybe even do like some of my students...put your question in third person format, instead of the first person perspective. Some info is better left between you and an attorney." teacher

However I do not agree that this is good advice. You should be honest in what you did and not leave anything out. If you get caught up in a lie or left something out they were expecting you to say or knew you did. You could get in further trouble. You can get better advice when the person giving it knows everything that happened.

"Also, you have to make the extra effort to PROVE you are reformed. Yes, you have to PROVE, it's just the way it is. Saying you have a license in another state that you haven't switch over for years will not look good. I know, I know, you feel like you have no other choice, but you have to sacrifice now, in order to achieve the means. Do you understand? " teacher

Question again how is someone going to prove they are reformed when they believe and make statements that they didn't do anything wrong and didn't hurt anyone? You should never have to sacrifice anything. You need to get intouch with reality and be accountable for the things you did. And to prove something, sacrifice to achieve the means that you do not take full responsability we refre to this as a problem area called Fronting. Thinking erros we use on this behavior are deceiving, downplaying, and acting helpless.



"Not if you are truly sorry for what you have done. Also, volunteer at an AA meeting or a chemical dependency clinic. Share your story with others so they won't make your mistakes. Accept your guilt. It purifies. THIS is how you make it all better. There will be a realy big scar, but the above might serve as a comfortable bandaid." teacher

This has to be the best advice I have read. It repeats everything I have said. But only if this person is truly sorry for what they did and is willing to be responable for their actions. Otherwise they have no bussiness talking at an AA meeting or chemical dependency clinic. I would not what here to speak at our CD group with the way this person thinks. It underminds everything we teach the students on being accountable for your actions.

"I see, for the sake of my insanity, my best bet is to stay away from THIS board and I see HATE" teacher

And this coming from a teacher -if reading little boards like this makes you sooo upset and is messing with your insanity -Then maybe you seriously need to get some counseling. Something as little as this should make someone sooo upset and insane and even see hate. I know someone who got upset over a message board that they were going to go insane I would not want them anywhere around my children. Think about that. Maybe you should realze how much you reveal to others.

Chitown- take responsiablity for your own actions. In the end it will pay off better.