man's right not to become a father

can a man take a woman to court for an unwanted pregnancy.?

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by eririt [/i]
[B]can a man take a woman to court for an unwanted pregnancy.? [/B][/QUOTE]

My response:

Absolutely! You can sue anyone, for any thing.

The real question, however, is can you prevail? The answer to that question in your situation is "No." You'd lose at the Demurrer and Motion to Strike stage of the litigation, which would be right after you served your Summons and Complaint.

You've heard of that little United States Supreme Court decision called "Roe vs. Wade", haven't you?

In a nutshell, Roe vs. Wade instructs that while the fetus is in the womb, the woman has sole and complete discretion and right to decide whether or not to carry that fetus to full term, or to abort that fetus within the proper time perameters. A woman in the United States has a right to choose for herself, alone. Until that fetus is born, the woman can choose to abort, as much as she has a right to her own body to choose whether or not to have an apendectomy, or any other surgical procedure.

You, as the man, have a right to watch the result. That's it - - because, to do otherwise, is to set back the clock for Women's Rights and to keep a woman in a shoebox, without any say in what happens with her body, and its parts, and to be ruled by MAN. And, who the hell is a man to tell a woman what she should do with her body?

And, for everyone reading this, yes, I am "Pro-Choice" and PRO WOMAN. Every woman has a brain, and should, and does, have a right to make her own choices in life. There's no room for religion in this matter. It's her body and, until that fetus is born, it has no more rights than any other part of a woman's body (except in some criminal matters).

The time for a man to make a choice in this type of a matter, is at the moment just before conception; i.e., to wear a condom, or some other method of birth control.

IAAL





[Edited by I AM ALWAYS LIABLE on 11-17-2000 at 12:16 AM]

IAAL, Roe vs. Wade gave women the right to have abortions, but maybe, just maybe, he could set a new precedence. This subject was discussed by myself and an attorney friend over lunch. She, her partner, and myself, all agree, men should have rights, however, there are so many particulars that it would be extremely hard to set any one standard. It is unfair that any woman could choose to have a child irregardless of the mans feelings. I am thankful God gave me a stronger character. OOOOPPPPSSSS, I'm a woman, I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes. I'LL APOLOGIZE NOW.

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by billyjean [/i]
[B]IAAL, Roe vs. Wade gave women the right to have abortions, but maybe, just maybe, he could set a new precedence. This subject was discussed by myself and an attorney friend over lunch. She, her partner, and myself, all agree, men should have rights, however, there are so many particulars that it would be extremely hard to set any one standard. It is unfair that any woman could choose to have a child irregardless of the mans feelings. I am thankful God gave me a stronger character. OOOOPPPPSSSS, I'm a woman, I hope I haven't stepped on too many toes. I'LL APOLOGIZE NOW. [/B][/QUOTE]

My response:

You lost me, BillyJean, you really lost me.

Here I am a man, taking the side of women, and you're a woman taking the side of a man. Incredible.

How would you carry out such a choice for a man? Have the woman tied up to an operating table against her will, and placed in stirups?

Would you give a man the right to say, "Okay, she can have the baby, but I disavow any responsibility"? Then, who's responsibility would that child be? Society's? No thanks.

I want the woman making her own choice, and if it's to carry to full term, then the man takes the responsibility.

PERIOD.

IAAL

IAAL, I know, I'm such an enigma. I don't believe in abortion, (not politically correct, I know),yet, I also don't believe women should have the right to force a man into being a father. Like I said, during our lunch we debated the many issues involved. This is a very sensitive and delicate subject for many. I don't know the answer, but for those interested in the bible, if we followed the rules we wouldn't have so many problems in this big bad world.

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by billyjean [/i]
[B]IAAL, I know, I'm such an enigma. I don't believe in abortion, (not politically correct, I know),yet, I also don't believe women should have the right to force a man into being a father. Like I said, during our lunch we debated the many issues involved. This is a very sensitive and delicate subject for many. I don't know the answer, but for those interested in the bible, if we followed the rules we wouldn't have so many problems in this big bad world. [/B][/QUOTE]

My response:

BillyJean, you have a right to your religion and your beliefs, guaranteed to you, a woman, under the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. You have an absolute right to your beliefs on the issue of abortion.

This is a country of laws. Court decisions are not based upon Biblical stories, however.

Religion has it's place - - inside a House of Worship.

Law has it's place - - inside a courtroom.

They don't cross paths.

So, because this is a "legal" site, and not a religious site, I would appreciate it if you would please base your written opinions here on man's laws, and not on God's laws.

Thank you.

IAAL

Like I said, "for those interested", I apologize if I offended you.

[I AM ALWAYS LIABLE]

[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by billyjean [/i]
[B]Like I said, "for those interested", I apologize if I offended you. [/B][/QUOTE]


My response:

There's no offense taken at all. I respect your views, and it's quite alright to have your views. I don't expect everyone, or even anyone, to agree with my views.

Hey, if you don't believe in abortion, that's a legal, and political stance, and I would fight like hell for your right to your legal and political views. I applaud you for taking a stand. I may not agree with your "legal" view or interpretations, but that's my right, and that's my problem, not yours. We can discuss matters, and if it should turn out, we can agree to disagree.

It's just that when someone, anyone, starts basing legal arguments on God's laws, the Bible, the Old or New Testament, the Torah, or any other religious doctrine, that's when we part company.

I don't base my legal opinions on religion because my beliefs are mine, and I don't cram my religious beliefs down anyone's throat.

As was stated in Ecclesiastes Three, there is a time and place for everything under Heaven. This is not the time or the place for religious beliefs.

So, let's keep things "legal" on this site, okay?

IAAL



[Edited by I AM ALWAYS LIABLE on 11-17-2000 at 01:12 AM]

I just would like to add that I am also PRO Choice. I also believe that conception of a child takes two people. Both, in my eyes are responsible for protecting themselves against unwanted pregnancy.

So, even if the girlfriend says " It's O.K. Baby, I am on birth control" You as a man need to decide whether you care enough about the female and yourself to make sure you wear a condom.

I have a birth control baby, I wanted to have an abortion, her father didnt. He also didnt want to pay support, but guess what? He had no choice after she was born, I tried to give him a choice before she was born.

I have no regrets about my decision to have her, she is a Godsend, but still he and I both had the choice.
(And if he had been wearing a condom it would have never gotten to the point of needing to make that choice.)

Okay, You are exactly right IAAL, thanks.

Ladyblu, I do agree that men should take an active role in guarding against pregnancy. Unfortunately, just as there are birth control pill babies, there are condom babies. My stepdaughters sister has an 11 month old that is proof of this. Abstinence is the only true safeguard.

I will graciously bow out now, and I will admit, I am in way over my head!

[LegalBeagle]

In some way, to say a man should have a choice after conception is agreeing that the 21000 voters in West Palm Beach should have the chance to re-vote. After all, they had a choice too and now after the event, they want to pull that little spermy (I mean ballot) out from that hole it disappeared into.

The main difference though is that the people in WPB had the chance prior to conception to take ANOTHER nice, young, fresh ballot paper and pregnate the chad with a poke. How many men get that opportunity these days ? (I personally took 5). To ensure they would not be held liable they just had to make sure no penetration was recorded. Even at this point, they still have all the choice in the world right up until they concede that right by placing that chad infested paper, pregnant or otherwise, into that hole.

From that point, they can do nothing until birth occurs.. Then, as we all know, we are left cleaning up the sh!t for the next 3 years.

Thank you for your enlightening analogy.....LOL

Strange people on this planet.