3 Step Disciplinary Process

[cplmckenzie]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
Pennsylvania

My son was recently terminated from his job. He was employed under a Union - Company bargaining agreement.

Let me mention that he was employed in this job for 2 years, during his first year he received an injury to his hand on the job.

He was terminated due to repeated "late for work" events.

He was first given a verbal warning. His next step was a five day suspension at which time he was terminated.

He was told by his union he did not have the union support in this matter.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that under standard agreement disciplinary policy that it is normally a 3 step process.

1. Verbal Warning

2. Written Warning

3. Suspension possibly termination

Could someone help me in my understanding of this.

cplmckenzie

 

[davew128]

If his union isn't supporting him, then that should tell you all you need to know about why he was terminated, why the union isn't supporting him, and why your understanding is incorrect.

 

[Zigner]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?
Pennsylvania

My son was recently terminated from his job. He was employed under a Union - Company bargaining agreement.

Let me mention that he was employed in this job for 2 years, during his first year he received an injury to his hand on the job.

He was terminated due to repeated "late for work" events.

He was first given a verbal warning. His next step was a five day suspension at which time he was terminated.

He was told by his union he did not have the union support in this matter.

I may be wrong, but my understanding is that under standard agreement disciplinary policy that it is normally a 3 step process.

1. Verbal Warning

2. Written Warning

3. Suspension possibly termination

Could someone help me in my understanding of this.

cplmckenzie

This is your son's matter. Cut the apron strings and let him deal with it.

 

[cplmckenzie]

Thank you for your insights. Although yes it is my son. This picture is larger in that it could happen any employee of any company. I would appreciate any other input on this matter.

cplmckenzie

 

[Zigner]

Thank you for your insights. Although yes it is my son. This picture is larger in that it could happen any employee of any company. I would appreciate any other input on this matter.

cplmckenzie

When it happens to said any employee, please ask said any employee to log on for him or her self.

 

[Just Blue]

Thank you for your insights. Although yes it is my son. This picture is larger in that it could happen any employee of any company. I would appreciate any other input on this matter.

cplmckenzie

sigh...

As one Mother to another...Tell your son to deal with his own issues.
My Daughter has been doing so since she was 17 years old, and she has done very well. Children do much better when allowed to be adults.

 

[eerelations]

Not all CBAs are the same, nor are they legally required to be the same. Just because one CBA has a three-step disciplinary process doesn't mean they all do. The law has nothing to say about disciplinary processes, which means non-union employees are not entitled to them unless granted by their employers, at said employers' discretion.

I have managed more than a dozen CBAs and their disciplinary process varied from no steps to five steps.

Just curious, why has your son refused to show you his CBA?

 

[cplmckenzie]

Thank you for the reply. He didn't refuse. I did not ask him as to my understanding, or lack of it as for as disciplinary processes, BEFORE I chose to get involved in my son's business.

I am just making inquires as to how this process "usually" goes.

cplmckenzie

 

[Just Blue]

Thank you for the reply. He didn't refuse. I did not ask him as to my understanding, or lack of it as for as disciplinary processes, BEFORE I chose to get involved in my son's business.

I am just making inquires as to how this process "usually" goes.

cplmckenzie

One should not ask about another adults legal issues on the net. Not good.

 

[cplmckenzie]

Thank you and I am afraid that I must apologize, as I thought this was a forum for inquiries on matter of the law. I did not realize that 1 inquiry would garner so much parenting advice.

cplmckenzie

 

[cbg]

There is no law anywhere in the US that requires a 3 step disciplinary process. It is entirely up to the employer.

If the union is satisfied, so is the law.

 

[Just Blue]

Thank you and I am afraid that I must apologize, as I thought this was a forum for inquiries on matter of the law. I did not realize that 1 inquiry would garner so much parenting advice.

cplmckenzie

When a parent decides to post for their adult child then "parenting advice" is part of the free advice.

 

[cplmckenzie]

Thank you cbg.

cplmckenzie

 

[Just Blue]

Thank you cbg.

cplmckenzie

After a little looksee (px Hx) I can see that the apple didn't fall far from your tree.

 

[eerelations]

Thank you for the reply. He didn't refuse. I did not ask him as to my understanding, or lack of it as for as disciplinary processes, BEFORE I chose to get involved in my son's business.

I am just making inquires as to how this process "usually" goes.

cplmckenzie

So you got all fired up about what's happening to your son without knowing what his CBA says about disciplinary processes? Amazing...if I was concerned about whether or not someone was being treated in accordance with their union's disciplinary process, the first thing I would have done would have been to ask to see the CBA. I assumed that you would have taken this reasonable step, and that because you didn't know what his union's disciplinary process, that your son had refused to show you said CBA.