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beckyvs

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? VA
I am asking a question on behalf of my niece who is 34 years old and recently fired from a restaurant for not being dependable (which was the reason she was given a week later).

My niece has been a full-time employee for 2 years (the establishment employees 150 people. She has been a part-time supervisor for the last year and a half.

She was diagnosed with Graves disease in January of 09 this year by a specialist. She gave the head supervisor a letter stating that she was sick and could not work for awhile because of the symptoms of her illness (rapid heartbeat, nausea, general feeling of being tired). She was told just to bring a doctor's note when she returned to work, which was about 4 weeks later. She missed a day occassionally since then, but she normally covered her shift. She also worked many doubles and stayed over (she is a waitress) when the restaurant was staffed short or someone else called in. She has worked for this establishment approximately 6 times over the last 20 years. She started when she was 14 with a worker's permit.

I was speaking with her yesterday and she was telling me that she had been fired a few weeks ago, she had called in for that shift because the babysitter could not watch her two younger children, but still gave several hours notice.

The owner's wife was there who is not an employee of the restaurant and told the second shift supervisor to call my niece and tell her that she was fired. The head supervisor was out of town. The second shift supervisor later told my niece that the owner's wife was having a bad day.

The point of all this is that she was never told about the FMLA when her supervisors where made aware of her illness, she was told to bring a doctor's note when she came back. The doctor has written notes for her since the diagnosis of her illness. My niece did not even know what the FMLA was until I explained it to her, she has an eighth grade education and did not understand that she should have been put under FMLA, she was told to come back to work when she felt better and she did and has worked sick many times and occassionally has been sent home by her supervisor because she was too sick to work.

She called today and spoke with her second shift supervisor and she was told that it was her responsibility to ask for the FMLA and that the employer did not have to offer the FMLA to her that she should have been aware of it. The letter she wrote herself explaining her illness and her doctor's notes were never sent to the HR department they were held in the head supervisor's office.

The second shift supervisor knew nothing about FMLA when she called today and my niece even being a part-time supervisor knew nothing regarding FMLA or what it was or meant.

The restaurant owner is also fighting her on her unemployment. I am trying to help her get back on her feet. She is a 34 year old single mother with 2 small children and has no money. She has always been a great worker, at times working 2-3 jobs trying to support her family.

I'm sorry to be so long winded, I just feel that her rights have been violated. I am no expert in FMLA, but from what I understand she should have been approached by the HR department to go under FMLA when she made her supervisor aware of her disease and that she would be too sick to work at times, especially while the doctor was trying to get her medication dosage correct. I feel that had she been put under FMLA when she was diagnosed it wouldn't be an issue with her getting fired recently over not having a babysitter, she told the truth and did not try to use her illness as an excuse, and as I stated she has worked her shifts and others employees shifts many times sick too keep from losing her job.

I would appreciate any advice or answers that anyone may offer in order to help her know what she should do.

Thank you in advance for your time reading this and any advice that you may be able to offer.

Becky
 
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ecmst12

Senior Member
You clearly don't know anything about FMLA.

Her 4 week leave of absence was covered under FMLA, but she wasn't fired for that.

She was fired because of an absence because of a babysitting problem, nothing to do with her illness or a serious health problem of her child. This is not covered under FMLA.
 

beckyvs

Junior Member
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The main thing that I was talking about is when the employer was made aware of her diagnosis and her problems with the medicine she should have been put under the FMLA in January. This has nothing to do with suing for money, it has to do with the law. It is stated on the dol.gov website that it is the employer's responsibility to make the employee aware of FMLA and her rights. The babysitting issue you are right, she can be fired for that. My point is that she should have been under FMLA after her diagnosis.

Becky
 

ecmst12

Senior Member
She WAS protected by the FMLA law. The fact that her employer didn't tell her about it doesn't mean she wasn't protected. And her firing did not violate that law.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
The bottom line is that she was not fired for anything related to FMLA. Therefore, even if the employer had given her a signed and notarized statement declaring the four weeks that she was out as having had absolute protection under FMLA, it would not have prevented her from being fired. The firing was absolutely legal, FMLA notification or not.

And if you think she was not protected under FMLA because her employer didn't say she was, read Ragsdale v. Wolverine, a US Supreme Court case from 2002 that is on direct point to FMLA notification. And which does not help your cause at all.
 

Mass_Shyster

Senior Member
It is stated on the dol.gov website that it is the employer's responsibility to make the employee aware of FMLA and her rights.
And if the employer fails to inform the employee of her rights, they cannot take action against her for failing to follow proper FMLA procedures.

They did not take action against her for failing to follow FMLA procedures, so she has no claim against them for not informing her of her rights.
 

LSchmid

Member
I think what the OP is trying to get at is that the employer counted absences that MAY have been FMLA protected against her in making the decision to terminate. In order to be eligible for FMLA protected leave she must have worked a minimum of 1250 hours within the 12 months preceeding the leave. If she did, it appears that all other requirements were met and she should have been given appropriate FMLA paperwork to complete regarding her illness.

If your niece feels that her employment was terminated due to her FMLA absences, even though her final absence was not FMLA related, she needs to contact either the DOL for advice on filing a complaint. You can find that information by going to The U.S. Department of Labor Home Page.
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
LSchmid (welcome back, haven't seen you in a while), I have a lot of respect for you and I rarely disagree with you.

However, I don't think this one is going to fly. There is a legitimate reason for termination that even the OP admits is a valid reason. I'm by no means convinced that FMLA is a factor here. I'm not even fully convinced that FMLA applies; if the niece was part time, did she work the 1,250 hours required?

I think we need a lot more than we have to say that the employer's failure to classify the four weeks as FMLA to the employee makes this termination illegal.
 

beckyvs

Junior Member
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My niece has worked the required 1250 hours; she has been on FT employee for the last two years, she was made a part-time supervisor a year and a half ago and waitressed the other time, she normally worked 50-60 hours per week. She always stayed over and would do doubles when someone called in. She is a great worker.

I understand that an employer can fire you without reason. I just thought and I am far no expert on FMLA, that when she was diagnosed and the doctor wrote her out and told her not to work for a few weeks that she should have been put under FMLA for her illness. Absences from her illness are mainly what's being used against her as their excuse for her being undependable for the days she missed in January and February of this year. She found this out from her unemployment interview yesterday, in which she was also denied unemployment.

She did call in for not having a babysitter that one night and she gave the required notice of 4 hours as stated in the handbook. The other days that she missed this year was due to her illness. There were no other absences because of her children. She has worked at this establishment several times over the last 20 years with no problem, which again I know doesn't mean anything as far as if the employer wants to fire you. I just felt that holding FMLA absences against her was violating her rights, along with the fact that she knew nothing about FMLA.

She's not educated, and didn't even know what FMLA was or what it meant and that it could protect her when she was sick, which her lack of knowledge or understanding may mean nothing.

I'm just trying to find out if there is any help available to her since she was never offered FMLA when she should have been at least told what her rights were and what would be expected from her during her recovery time.

Thanks,

Becky
 
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ecmst12

Senior Member
If her employer actually SAID that her absences due to a serious illness were contributing factors in the decision to fire her, then she should file a complaint with the US DOL for FMLA violation.
 

beckyvs

Junior Member
Complaint Filed

An agent from the DOL (fmla division) did contact my niece and stated that it sounds like her rights were violated and she was issuing the paperwork for her records and would be making an unannounced visit. She also stated that the employer would have to give her job back and all of her lost income.

Becky
 

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