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wantstruth

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? Indiana

I have not actually been fired and am likely am in no danger of it if I shut up. What is happening bothers me so much I might get myself fired by doing the things the ethics manual says that I should do.

here is my basic story.


> Supervisor required us to assume identity of another.
>
> Several of us were required to assume the identity of
> other employees. We had to call our corporate office's
> helpdesk and pose as other employees in order to have
> their passwords reset. The supervisor needed to passwords
> reset in order to fill out information going to HR that
> was being requested by HR but was supposed to be provided
> by the employees. We were required to lie!
>
> This is not the only thing of this nature that has
> happened. Dishonesty runs rampant where I am at. A
> number of the employees (this is an information technology
> shop by the way) were constanly talking about various
> issues amoung themselves and it was getting unhealthy. I
> am one who usually thinks the employer is correct on most
> issues but not here....not even close.
>
> Because of all of the problems here and attacks upon an
> honest manager by her supervisor. I desided to contact
> HR. I was warned that the person I was contacting was a
> friend of the lying supervisor. I decided to do this
> anyway.
>
> The conversation went well with the HR person it seemed.
> The HR person was to talk to six people who were witnesses
> or affected by abuses of power in the company. There was
> to be confidentiallity until this was investigated and
> then we would see what happens based on the findings of
> the investigation. I don't mind the fact that I made to
> call comes out but I think it should have waited until all
> people concerned and awaiting a call had been contacted.
>
> Well there was a meeting last Friday amoung a small
> handfull of supervisors all hired friends of the
> supervisor being discussed here. I know some of what
> happened in the meeting. They had notes of the kind of
> answers to give to questions. How to redirect questions,
> how to give misleading answers and follow up responces of
> the initial responces failed. One of them was not that
> smart and left the notes where someone else saw them and
> copied them.
>
> I feel kind of betrayed by the HR person who helped the
> friend out by letting it be known that employees wanted to
> talk. This taints the message that would have come from
> these people.
>
> I am going to go over the HR persons head on Monday or
> Tuesday and want to start preparing for legal action if I
> have any that I can take. I am in hopes that there is
> some criminal action that can be taken.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me
>
>
I checked the law in Indiana and found that this is a single
consent state for recording telephone conversations but I am
not sure if its ok for face to face. Well I have been
recording and do have somethings that are useful.

Since I can prove many things.....what if I made this public in order to bring things to a stop?

If it would also be helpful I can give other dishonest and
simply wrong things that have been happening here. I just
posted the one I thought stood the best chance of being
illegal. Maybe I should list other things.
 


wantstruth

Junior Member
it is mine

I mailed it to someone....
Then I took a copy from my sent mail folder and cut and paste it into another fourm but it seems the forum was not active.

I then cut and pasted it to here. I did make some very minor edits each time but not more than a few word.

I hate proofreading.

This is me an my situation. Not one a copied for someplace else.
 

zippysgoddess

Senior Member
Funny that it is supposed to be from your sent items folder, yet it has all those little telltale forward item arrows in it.
 

Beth3

Senior Member
I am going to go over the HR persons head on Monday or
> Tuesday and want to start preparing for legal action if I
> have any that I can take. I am in hopes that there is
> some criminal action that can be taken.
No, there is no legal action you can take. Nobody, including the supervisor, has acted illegally. This situation is an ethical one and is entirely up to the employer to determine how they will handle it.

I checked the law in Indiana and found that this is a single
consent state for recording telephone conversations but I am
not sure if its ok for face to face. Well I have been
recording and do have somethings that are useful.
Useful for what? There is no legal case here. Even if only single-party consent is required in your State, your employer may still take great exception to your tape recording conversations in the workplace without authorization.

Since I can prove many things.....what if I made this public in order to bring things to a stop? And how do you propose to do that? Local media? It's hard to imagine they'd see this as a "big story" remotely worth their interest. Nor would you have an control over what they'd print if they did and how they might "spin" the story. You could end up looking like the bad seed here.

If it would also be helpful I can give other dishonest and
simply wrong things that have been happening here. I just
posted the one I thought stood the best chance of being
illegal. Maybe I should list other things.
I think what you should do is look for another job if you're not happy where you are. Nothing you have shared above remotely suggests the employer or any management personnel have violated any laws.
 

wantstruth

Junior Member
wow

I am kind of stunned.

I would have thought that requiring people to lie and assume someone elses identity would be illegal.

I guess I learn new things everyday.
 

Beth3

Senior Member
I would have thought that requiring people to lie and assume someone elses identity would be illegal. It is if a fraud is perpetrated.

If I want to go around claiming I'm Barbra Streisand I'm free to do so. If I use her identity to defraud anyone (for example, getting a credit card in her name) then I've committed a crime. At a minimum, I've defrauded the credit card company.

Your manager may be subject to disciplinary measures from the employer (and very likely should be) but he didn't break any laws by having his subordinates contact the Help Desk and pretend to be other employees. (I'd sure fire his a** though.)
 

cbg

I'm a Northern Girl
Which does not make anything in Beth's posts incorrect. The information she gave you is still true, regardless of how anyone is treating you.
 

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