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jasonrogers5031

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? ga

I worked for the past 9 years at a warehouse. I started when I was 18, and its the only job I ever had. Every 3 monthes we have safety & security meetings. The meetings are mandatory, and everyone must be present. The company houses the meetings at different times for different shifts (8a-9a, 12p-1p, 3p-4p, 8p-9p, 12a-1a). It is only mandatory to show up for 1 meeting.

On October 11 we were informed of the meeting, which would take place on October 25.

I was on the way to the meeting (8a-9a time slot). I was literally in the turn lane turning in to work parking lot when I was in a car accident. The other driver ran the red light and slammed into the side of my car. I was not injured, just bruises on my head from hitting the steering wheel , I got knocked out & suffered whiplash. I was taken to the hospital by ambulance.

Numerous of my co-workers witnessed the accident, including my boss.

I was released that night from the hospital. I called work to let them know that the doctor had ordered me to be out of work for 3 days.

The next day, October 26 my boss called to inform me that I missed the mandatory meeting, and therefore I was terminated.

Can they legally do this?
 


sandyclaus

Senior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? ga

I worked for the past 9 years at a warehouse. I started when I was 18, and its the only job I ever had. Every 3 monthes we have safety & security meetings. The meetings are mandatory, and everyone must be present. The company houses the meetings at different times for different shifts (8a-9a, 12p-1p, 3p-4p, 8p-9p, 12a-1a). It is only mandatory to show up for 1 meeting.

On October 11 we were informed of the meeting, which would take place on October 25.

I was on the way to the meeting (8a-9a time slot). I was literally in the turn lane turning in to work parking lot when I was in a car accident. The other driver ran the red light and slammed into the side of my car. I was not injured, just bruises on my head from hitting the steering wheel , I got knocked out & suffered whiplash. I was taken to the hospital by ambulance.

Numerous of my co-workers witnessed the accident, including my boss.

I was released that night from the hospital. I called work to let them know that the doctor had ordered me to be out of work for 3 days.

The next day, October 26 my boss called to inform me that I missed the mandatory meeting, and therefore I was terminated.

Can they legally do this?
Unethical and just all around mean to do? Sure. But illegal, no.

While you weren't able to perform actual work, that shouldn't necessarily have prevented you from attending a mandatory meeting - unless you were physically unable to get there for some other reason.

Perhaps there were other performance or attendance issues and this was just the last straw.

Time to apply for unemployment.
 

commentator

Senior Member
File for unemployment immediately. THEN see an attorney who specializes in work issues. There is a potential for FMLA violation here. But first of all, you need to file for unemployment and get some income started in. It will take a while, since you are terminated. But don't sit around and hesitate because you think you might get your job back. You probably won't.

I wonder if this is the whole story. There are a lot of safety meetings missed. There are a lot of people fired because of poor attendance. There are few really excellent employees with no prior problems fired after this many years for missing one meeting of any type. Not to say it couldn't happen.

Since you were fired for missing a work related obligation with a health/medical excuse, you will very likely be able to be approved for unemployment insurance, as they consider a medical reason to be something you could not have avoided, regardless of your past attendance record. But that doesn't mean they weren't legally able to terminate you. If you qualified for FMLA, and your employer was a covered FMLA required employer, and you were terminated, that's another issue that you want to deal with. But file for unemployment immediately.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
What is the FMLA violation?

§825.113 Serious health condition.
(a) For purposes of FMLA, serious health condition entitling an employee to FMLA leave means an illness, injury, impairment or physical or mental condition that involves inpatient care as defined in §825.114 or continuing treatment by a health care provider as defined in §825.115.

(b) The term incapacity means inability to work, attend school or perform other regular daily activities due to the serious health condition, treatment therefore, or recovery therefrom.

(c) The term treatment includes (but is not limited to) examinations to determine if a serious health condition exists and evaluations of the condition. Treatment does not include routine physical examinations, eye examinations, or dental examinations. A regimen of continuing treatment includes, for example, a course of prescription medication (e.g., an antibiotic) or therapy requiring special equipment to resolve or alleviate the health condition (e.g., oxygen). A regimen of continuing treatment that includes the taking of over-the-counter medications such as aspirin, antihistamines, or salves; or bed-rest, drinking fluids, exercise, and other similar activities that can be initiated without a visit to a health care provider, is not, by itself, sufficient to constitute a regimen of continuing treatment for purposes of FMLA leave.

(d) Conditions for which cosmetic treatments are administered (such as most treatments for acne or plastic surgery) are not serious health conditions unless inpatient hospital care is required or unless complications develop. Ordinarily, unless complications arise, the common cold, the flu, ear aches, upset stomach, minor ulcers, headaches other than migraine, routine dental or orthodontia problems, periodontal disease, etc., are examples of conditions that do not meet the definition of a serious health condition and do not qualify for FMLA leave. Restorative dental or plastic surgery after an injury or removal of cancerous growths are serious health conditions provided all the other conditions of this regulation are met. Mental illness or allergies may be serious health conditions, but only if all the conditions of this section are met.

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§825.114 Inpatient care.
Inpatient care means an overnight stay in a hospital, hospice, or residential medical care facility, including any period of incapacity as defined in §825.113(b), or any subsequent treatment in connection with such inpatient care.

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§825.115 Continuing treatment.
A serious health condition involving continuing treatment by a health care provider includes any one or more of the following:

(a) Incapacity and treatment. A period of incapacity of more than three consecutive, full calendar days, and any subsequent treatment or period of incapacity relating to the same condition, that also involves:

(1) Treatment two or more times, within 30 days of the first day of incapacity, unless extenuating circumstances exist, by a health care provider, by a nurse under direct supervision of a health care provider, or by a provider of health care services (e.g., physical therapist) under orders of, or on referral by, a health care provider; or

(2) Treatment by a health care provider on at least one occasion, which results in a regimen of continuing treatment under the supervision of the health care provider.

(3) The requirement in paragraphs (a)(1) and (2) of this section for treatment by a health care provider means an in-person visit to a health care provider. The first (or only) in-person treatment visit must take place within seven days of the first day of incapacity.

(4) Whether additional treatment visits or a regimen of continuing treatment is necessary within the 30-day period shall be determined by the health care provider.

(5) The term extenuating circumstances in paragraph (a)(1) of this section means circumstances beyond the employee's control that prevent the follow-up visit from occurring as planned by the health care provider. Whether a given set of circumstances are extenuating depends on the facts. For example, extenuating circumstances exist if a health care provider determines that a second in-person visit is needed within the 30-day period, but the health care provider does not have any available appointments during that time period.

(b) Pregnancy or prenatal care. Any period of incapacity due to pregnancy, or for prenatal care. See also §825.120.

(c) Chronic conditions. Any period of incapacity or treatment for such incapacity due to a chronic serious health condition. A chronic serious health condition is one which:

(1) Requires periodic visits (defined as at least twice a year) for treatment by a health care provider, or by a nurse under direct supervision of a health care provider;

(2) Continues over an extended period of time (including recurring episodes of a single underlying condition); and

(3) May cause episodic rather than a continuing period of incapacity (e.g., asthma, diabetes, epilepsy, etc.).

(d) Permanent or long-term conditions. A period of incapacity which is permanent or long-term due to a condition for which treatment may not be effective. The employee or family member must be under the continuing supervision of, but need not be receiving active treatment by, a health care provider. Examples include Alzheimer's, a severe stroke, or the terminal stages of a disease.

(e) Conditions requiring multiple treatments. Any period of absence to receive multiple treatments (including any period of recovery therefrom) by a health care provider or by a provider of health care services under orders of, or on referral by, a health care provider, for:

(1) Restorative surgery after an accident or other injury; or

(2) A condition that would likely result in a period of incapacity of more than three consecutive, full calendar days in the absence of medical intervention or treatment, such as cancer (chemotherapy, radiation, etc.), severe arthritis (physical therapy), or kidney disease (dialysis).

(f) Absences attributable to incapacity under paragraph (b) or (c) of this section qualify for FMLA leave even though the employee or the covered family member does not receive treatment from a health care provider during the absence, and even if the absence does not last more than three consecutive, full calendar days. For example, an employee with asthma may be unable to report for work due to the onset of an asthma attack or because the employee's health care provider has advised the employee to stay home when the pollen count exceeds a certain level. An employee who is pregnant may be unable to report to work because of severe morning sickness.


(Taken from http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=abbd92cdff37c5d32de741cc5ccc1e81&rgn=div5&view=text&node=29:3.1.1.3.54&idno=29)
 

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