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10-17-2009, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr  When you put ANYTHING out on the internet, it no longer is private. | Poor argument. You're saying that my e-mails to and from my place of occupation, which requires Secret-level DoD security clearance to work at, are public? I think not. |
10-17-2009, 02:29 PM
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| | | I didn't say public dude.
I said that they were no longer PRIVATE. ANYTHING out on the web is subject to being "found." If it has super duper security, or whatever, it is NO longer private.
Private - it's what inside your head that has NOT been shared with anyone else.
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10-17-2009, 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chesamo Poor argument. You're saying that my e-mails to and from my place of occupation, which requires Secret-level DoD security clearance to work at, are public? I think not. | no no. anything the child puts on his computer at home is accesible to the parent. your job, doesn't come into play here.
until there is a law that protects a minor's privacy.....mom and dad have a constitutional right to snoop.
and by the way, it's not snooping. snooping is putting your nose where it doesn't belong. as long as i pay the bills in my home, my nose belongs EVERY in the house. not even my children's pockets are private. and since i do the laundry, not even their underwear. |
10-17-2009, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr I didn't say public dude.
I said that they were no longer PRIVATE. ANYTHING out on the web is subject to being "found." If it has super duper security, or whatever, it is NO longer private.
Private - it's what inside your head that has NOT been shared with anyone else. | Private and public are antonyms. You can't be neither private nor public. Quote:
Originally Posted by IsabellaSoriano no no. anything the child puts on his computer at home is accesible to the parent. your job, doesn't come into play here.
until there is a law that protects a minor's privacy.....mom and dad have a constitutional right to snoop.
and by the way, it's not snooping. snooping is putting your nose where it doesn't belong. as long as i pay the bills in my home, my nose belongs EVERY in the house. not even my children's pockets are private. and since i do the laundry, not even their underwear. | It's not the parent's computer. Therefore, the parent has no right to use it. |
10-17-2009, 02:38 PM
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| | | If the person in question is UNDER the age of majority, then EVERYTHING said child has is at the parents' whim. Don't care WHO paid for it. The Parents' rule.
You won't find a LAW on this "privacy" because it does NOT exist for minors.
It appears that the parents are making the right call on "reviewing" the minor's accounts and internet usage. If there is nothing to hide, said child would not be objecting.
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10-17-2009, 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr If the person in question is UNDER the age of majority, then EVERYTHING said child has is at the parents' whim. Don't care WHO paid for it. The Parents' rule. | Contradictory. If a child owns something that they bought with their own money, then why does the parent have right to it? Quote:
Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr You won't find a LAW on this "privacy" because it does NOT exist for minors. | I like your use of scare quotes as a debate tactic. Very classy.
I've already given you an opinion on why I think this is wrong. Prove me wrong or stop arguing ad infinitum. Quote:
Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr It appears that the parents are making the right call on "reviewing" the minor's accounts and internet usage. If there is nothing to hide, said child would not be objecting. | He has nothing to hide, but his parents have a different opinion on the matter. They hold a different set of morals, which is not what is causing family turmoil. The invasion of privacy is.
Not to mention the father is homophobic, and the child is a homosexual. Said parent found out because he snooped around on his son's computer. He is now being punished simply for being gay.
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10-17-2009, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Chesamo Private and public are antonyms. You can't be neither private nor public.
It's not the parent's computer. Therefore, the parent has no right to use it. | regardless, anything my child gets his hands on, it mine. if i can't have access to it, neither does my child. he is not allowed to breathe outloud unless i allow it. if he uses another computer to create an e-mail, the parents are well with in their right to not allow access to that computer.
i'm actually a bit grossed out right now. why on earth are YOU a grown adult so concerned about keeping something from a child's parents?
what is going on between you and the child that is so private?  am i the only one that is starting to feel green? |
10-17-2009, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by IsabellaSoriano regardless, anything my child gets his hands on, it mine. if i can't have access to it, neither does my child. he is not allowed to breathe outloud unless i allow it. if he uses another computer to create an e-mail, the parents are well with in their right to not allow access to that computer. | I believe that is known as "fascism" in most developed countries. Quote:
Originally Posted by IsabellaSoriano i'm actually a bit grossed out right now. why on earth are YOU a grown adult so concerned about keeping something from a child's parents?
what is going on between you and the child that is so private? am i the only one that is starting to feel green? | Oh, no! You've caught me! I'm a horrible pedophile looking to exploit this boy! (sarcasm)
He's a friend of mine, and I've known him for quite some time. Not in real life, you understand. He and I share similar interests, and as such are members of the same online message board. |
10-17-2009, 02:49 PM
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| | | There is WAY more to this story here.
Technically, anything a child has is by the whim of the parents. My child works. She buys something. I can remove said item because the child is under the Age of Majority. Don't care WHO bought it. I, as the parent, control what the child has.
I monitor EVERYTHING on the computer. Not because I think my child is doing wrong. It's because there are bad people out there. I take my duty as a parent seriously. It is MY DUTY to protect my child from the bad people out there. Therefore, I, as the adult, must check out where my child has been.
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10-17-2009, 02:51 PM
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I believe that is known as "fascism" in most developed countries.
| I run a democracy in my house, but it's more like the House of Representatives. My vote is worth 50; her vote is worth 12. Majority of votes wins.
When she gets to be an adult and is completely self-supporting, then she can happily go where she wants on that computer of hers. Until then - my form of democracy is the way it will be.
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10-17-2009, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr There is WAY more to this story here. | So you think. Quote:
Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr Technically, anything a child has is by the whim of the parents. My child works. She buys something. I can remove said item because the child is under the Age of Majority. Don't care WHO bought it. I, as the parent, control what the child has. | Why? It's not your money. This violates the principal laws of possession and ownership. Quote:
Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr I monitor EVERYTHING on the computer. Not because I think my child is doing wrong. It's because there are bad people out there. I take my duty as a parent seriously. It is MY DUTY to protect my child from the bad people out there. Therefore, I, as the adult, must check out where my child has been. | One must be careful to separate "protection" from "control". Quote:
Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr I run a democracy in my house, but it's more like the House of Representatives. My vote is worth 50; her vote is worth 12. Majority of votes wins. | Single-party states are a form of fascism.
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10-17-2009, 02:58 PM
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| | | You landed up here because you couldn't find any such laws of privacy, right?
The reason you couldn't find said laws is because they don't exist. Therefore, the parents can go looking.
Now, the child does have some rights. The child has the right to have food in the belly, a roof over their head, a chance to go to school, not to get beaten, clothes on the back.
Now, from a point of decency, it could be looked at that the child should be able to change their clothes and take showers alone at the age of 14.
But, again, no law will say that parent's can't look at email accounts, message boards, or history.
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10-17-2009, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Chesamo I believe that is known as "fascism" in most developed countries.
Oh, no! You've caught me! I'm a horrible pedophile looking to exploit this boy! (sarcasm)
He's a friend of mine, and I've known him for quite some time. Not in real life, you understand. He and I share similar interests, and as such are members of the same online message board. | that would make you a third party overstepping legal stranger. |
10-17-2009, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TinkerBelleLuvr But, again, no law will say that parent's can't look at email accounts, message boards, or history. | And why is that be allowed? Just because someone lives long enough to become an "adult" doesn't mean they are any more or less responsible. I've known parents who are more irresponsible than their children, and children for whom the word "savings" is a mystery. Once they roll over to 18, it automatically becomes impossible that they are irresponsible? Quote:
Originally Posted by IsabellaSoriano that would make you a third party overstepping legal stranger. | Definition of stranger: Quote:
stran⋅ger /ˈstreɪndʒər/ –noun
1. a person with whom one has had no personal acquaintance: He is a perfect stranger to me.
2. a newcomer in a place or locality: a stranger in town.
3. an outsider: They want no strangers in on the club meetings.
4. a person who is unacquainted with or unaccustomed to something (usually fol. by to): He is no stranger to poverty. |
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10-17-2009, 03:15 PM
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| | | You are on a LEGAL forum. You, are NOT a party to this. Therefore, it makes you a LEGAL stranger.
It would be no different than if you were a grandparent, aunt, uncle. In the LEGAL perspective, you are considered a LEGAL stranger.
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