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Pornography distribution being pinned on my son

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HighwayMan

Super Secret Senior Member
What are the details? Apparently there is a problem here when you preview your post. Try posting again and don't use preview.
 

OHRoadwarrior

Senior Member
Once a search warrant or permission breach the router has occurred, it is possible to determine the specific computer engaged in the activity. Even a single action can result in severe criminal prosecution. A lawyer negotiated deal to very beneficial to apprehend a real "player" if it results in a charge not requiring sex offender registration.
 

quincy

Senior Member
Once a search warrant or permission breach the router has occurred, it is possible to determine the specific computer engaged in the activity. Even a single action can result in severe criminal prosecution. A lawyer negotiated deal to very beneficial to apprehend a real "player" if it results in a charge not requiring sex offender registration.
OHRoadwarrior, your last sentence is really hard to understand. :)

Although you could re-word it, perhaps, it would probably be smart for us to wait for an actual post to come from theeking43. The name of the state is important, if s/he is, in fact, in one of the 50 and not in another country. The laws on pornography in the U.S. are vastly different than the laws on pornography in other countries.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
While never hearing that term either (although admittedly justalayman) I think he means simply that if permission is given to access the router logs so as to be able to determine what computer received the porn.


Quincy, wasn't there some recent rulings on issues involving unsecured routers. I think it was dealing with downloading movies or something but wouldn't that be a possible means to defend any illegal downloads, at least as long as incriminating evidence isn't discovered on the suspects computer itself?

And to you geeks in general: how do you tell if something was downloaded and deleted or if it was viewed but never downloaded? If a person unintentionally was presented with illegal porn (went to some site where it was presented to them without intending to view illegal porn), isn't there something in archived data linking them to the illegal porn? Hopefully you understand what I am asking.

And what if you don't use a router ORW? Not everybody does?
 

stealth2

Under the Radar Member
Once a search warrant or permission breach the router has occurred, it is possible to determine the specific computer engaged in the activity. Even a single action can result in severe criminal prosecution. A lawyer negotiated deal to very beneficial to apprehend a real "player" if it results in a charge not requiring sex offender registration.
Lay off the Bloody Mary's, dude.
 

quincy

Senior Member
While never hearing that term either (although admittedly justalayman) I think he means simply that if permission is given to access the router logs so as to be able to determine what computer received the porn.


Quincy, wasn't there some recent rulings on issues involving unsecured routers. I think it was dealing with downloading movies or something but wouldn't that be a possible means to defend any illegal downloads, at least as long as incriminating evidence isn't discovered on the suspects computer itself?

And to you geeks in general: how do you tell if something was downloaded and deleted or if it was viewed but never downloaded? If a person unintentionally was presented with illegal porn (went to some site where it was presented to them without intending to view illegal porn), isn't there something in archived data linking them to the illegal porn? Hopefully you understand what I am asking.

And what if you don't use a router ORW? Not everybody does?
There have been SEVERAL cases filed against computer-owners which have involved copyright-infringing downloads and child pornography downloads tracked to computers, but where the computer-owners were oblivious to the illegal acts committed. They had unsecured wireless routers that were used by others to commit crimes. The downloads can actually be stored on the oblivious computer-owner's computer without the computer-owner's knowledge.

I know little about computers but computer forensic examiners can learn a lot from a computer, including whether material that was once downloaded has been deleted. Deleting what is on your computer does not remove it from the computer. It just allows for other material to take its place. Generally there are enough fragments of the deleted material remaining (that is not overwritten with new material) to use as evidence of an illegal download.
 
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TheGeekess

Keeper of the Kraken
Most SOHO routers are not set up by default to keep logs. Most ISPs are now issuing router/modems to their end users, and they don't usually keep logs, either. However, deep in the recesses of network layers, there are ways to track packets and the path they travel.

Most files have a 'last-accessed' date on them. Given the right software and enough time, I can recover most anything an end-user may have thought they deleted.

Just stumbling across a 'bad' website is not likely to get you into trouble, unless it's run by a government agency and they're tracking IP addresses; even then, deep in the layers of the network, you can tell which machine it came from once you zoom down to that level. :cool:
 

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