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justalayman

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so, as I said, take a risk and speak with (another) attorney hoping the contract is not enforceable but understand that the disclosure amounts to a breach so if the contract is enforceable, you are at risk for the penalties associated with breaching the contract.
 


tranquility

Senior Member
Well, that depends on how you define duress and I think this would make an interesting legal concept.
I guess everything would get to what the definition would be, but the legal definition would include some threat. There is no cognizable threat here other than they would not refund the money unless you signed. That is not a threat unless every negotiation is a threat. Simply knowing you needed/wanted the money does not make not turning it over a threat.

As to if your attorney committed a tort or ethical breach against you in the original handling of the case, that is going to be so factual in a malpractice situation I'm not going to get into it. Taking you at your word, it certainly seems like there could have been a problem.

But, your contract to get the money for your promise not to follow up or communicate that issue was not due to duress.
 

anearthw

Member
Duress is already defined legally. This isn't duress.

Did the landlord actually admit he intentionally flooded his own property, just because he disliked you??? That would be absurd, would it not?
 

tranquility

Senior Member
Yes, you did have choices. Duress is something like "sign it or I'm going to shoot you with this gun"...not liking the alternatives doesn't mean it's duress.
To be fair to the OP, there can be economic duress as well. This isn't it here, but, it is possible.

http://study.com/academy/lesson/economic-duress-in-contract-law-definition-cases.html

Elements of Economic Duress

In order for you to claim you entered a contract under economic duress, you must prove several elements. All of the following elements must be demonstrated:

-An ongoing contract must exist between you and the party
-The other party has threatened to cancel this contract
-You accepted the new terms to the contract because you were under duress and there were no other alternatives available to you

[See also http://www.hugheshubbard.com/ArticleDocuments/Economic%20Distress.pdf ]
 

DivorceHell

Junior Member
No, that wasn't duress.




The more you type the more it sounds like you are simply bitter.
I am bitter. You pay 25k to an attorney who ignores you, does everything in his power to NOT do his duty, kills your dreams and costs you everything you've worked for as your first son is born, all over a case that the law clearly says is in your favor (and you have everything in writing to make it even more of a slam dunk) and then use the "refund" to pay your credit card bill for the attorney and tell me how you feel.

Bitter? Most people would be murderous.

And if I'm told that my wife and I will be going to jail if we don't sign a settlement agreement by our own attorney, how is that NOT DURESS?
 

DivorceHell

Junior Member
To be fair to the OP, there can be economic duress as well. This isn't it here, but, it is possible.

http://study.com/academy/lesson/economic-duress-in-contract-law-definition-cases.html

Elements of Economic Duress

In order for you to claim you entered a contract under economic duress, you must prove several elements. All of the following elements must be demonstrated:

-An ongoing contract must exist between you and the party
-The other party has threatened to cancel this contract
-You accepted the new terms to the contract because you were under duress and there were no other alternatives available to you

[See also http://www.hugheshubbard.com/ArticleDocuments/Economic%20Distress.pdf ]
The attorney originally agreed to pay 75% of the damages.

On the 28th of the month, the offer was rescinded and only the refund was offered.

We had to accept the new terms because if we didn't, we'd have literally nothing, including the roof over our heads.

Finally, I'm talking about the "sign the settlement agreement or you and your wife will go to jail." The other part is simply a question. Threatened with jail and being hit with a full penalty (which happened anyway) by your own attorney isn't duress? Then what is?
 

anearthw

Member
https://forum.freeadvice.com/legal-ethics-lawyer-malpractice-89/conflict-interest-ny-620668.html#post3380616

So, what is it? You want to sue rich NYC lawyer for your family torn apart, or want to divorce as a way out of a court judgement!

Looks like the shyster met his match. Stay out of courtrooms and quit while you are ahead!
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
The attorney originally agreed to pay 75% of the damages.

On the 28th of the month, the offer was rescinded and only the refund was offered.

We had to accept the new terms because if we didn't, we'd have literally nothing, including the roof over our heads.

Finally, I'm talking about the "sign the settlement agreement or you and your wife will go to jail." The other part is simply a question. Threatened with jail and being hit with a full penalty (which happened anyway) by your own attorney isn't duress? Then what is?
Go troll elsewhere.
 

DivorceHell

Junior Member
You got divorced because you and your ex were not able to handle stress. In a similar situation, some couples would form an even stronger bond.
Perhaps. Add the "stress" of a newborn child, the overwhelming burden of what we'd been through and the anger that resulted from a) allowing the attorney to push for a settlement by convincing my wife that the risk was too great not to settle only moments after the landlord's lawyers requested a moment to confer with their client after he committed perjury b) losing our life's savings c) watching our dreams go up in smoke

and some couples might form a stronger bond, but those couples are few and far between.
 

DivorceHell

Junior Member
Go troll elsewhere.
Thanks. I come in asking a question about getting completely screwed by a lawyer and I'm called a troll. Screw you. That "little detail" is expressly mentioned in the thread long before this.

Should your life ever fall apart, I hope people give you the same treatment. You think I WANT to ask questions on this stupid board? I'd see an attorney in a minute if I wasn't doomed to Divorce Hell for the next who knows how many years?
 

DivorceHell

Junior Member
https://forum.freeadvice.com/legal-ethics-lawyer-malpractice-89/conflict-interest-ny-620668.html#post3380616

So, what is it? You want to sue rich NYC lawyer for your family torn apart, or want to divorce as a way out of a court judgement!

Looks like the shyster met his match. Stay out of courtrooms and quit while you are ahead!
And what are you talking about? Divorce as a way out? We already lost everything. We lived with this for months until it finally boiled over and she served me with divorce papers 3 days before X-Mas.

I want to know if I have recourse against my "attorney" for doing less than the bare minimum and clearly meeting all four standards of malpractice in epic fashion. That's it.

That's all.

Not something for nothing.

I figured I'd get reasonable advice in here. I guess not.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
Perhaps. Add the "stress" of a newborn child, the overwhelming burden of what we'd been through and the anger that resulted from a) allowing the attorney to push for a settlement by convincing my wife that the risk was too great not to settle only moments after the landlord's lawyers requested a moment to confer with their client after he committed perjury b) losing our life's savings c) watching our dreams go up in smoke

and some couples might form a stronger bond, but those couples are few and far between.
Not duress.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
And what are you talking about? Divorce as a way out? We already lost everything. We lived with this for months until it finally boiled over and she served me with divorce papers 3 days before X-Mas.

I want to know if I have recourse against my "attorney" for doing less than the bare minimum and clearly meeting all four standards of malpractice in epic fashion. That's it.

That's all.

Not something for nothing.

I figured I'd get reasonable advice in here. I guess not.
Please explain how your situation was totally different in your other thread...
 

DivorceHell

Junior Member
Well, that depends on how you define duress and I think this would make an interesting legal concept. After our attorney failed to notify us of the default (which we had three days to correct and which he received papers for that he didn't forward) we were liable for a ton of money that emptied our life savings and told our lawyer this. We explained that due to his misconduct that we were unable to pay our rent and that after having a consultation with another attorney that all four circumstances that are required to prove attorney malpractice were easily met. Our attorney's law firm made an offer which was far more than what we eventually got and they "were preparing the contract" until the end of the month when they knew we'd be desperate. It was at this time that they withdrew their offer and told us that they'd "pay us X amount" which happened to be the same amount that I'd paid them.

We could not afford a malpractice attorney. We could not afford to pay our rent and were purchasing food from a dollar store. Our paychecks were a relief but went directly to bills, bills and more bills. The worst part is that half the attorney's fee was paid by credit card and had to be paid back immediately.

Yes, I am divorced but I certainly can blame our attorney for it since the only reason we got divorced is because we lost absolutely everything in a lawsuit where the following occured:

duty -- that the attorney owed you a duty to act properly and did not do so. Our attorney didn't even do the bare minimum, canceled prep sessions, did not know the case at hand and didn't even bother to read over the settlement before telling us that we'd go to jail if we didn't sign it.

breach -- that the attorney breached his duty: he was negligent, he made a mistake, or he did not do what he agreed to do- our retainer clearly said that we'd be represented by the firm to the best of their ability and we were not represented at all. Had I gone pro se, I'd have won this case based strictly on the fact that our landlord admitted to his wrongdoing IN WRITING. I'm talking almost 150 pages of emails that confirm that he refused basic service, locked the thermostat at a temperature that was lower than the minimum temperature allowable in the winter and an email that he mistakenly forwarded me while writing to his lawyer that stated that he wanted to "hit back" and that I was a liar after calling 311 (as was my right) and that although he was responsible for maintaining the property that he did not want me to know where he was.

causation -- that this conduct hurt you financially- damned straight. We left the apartment legally, he didn't even hand us back our security deposit although the apartment was in the exact same condition as it came in. Under the law, there was absolutely no part of the landlord's case that would have held up AND when we went to trial, the landlord committed perjury on the 4th question he was asked. Our lawyer convinced my wife (who until that point had absolutely no part at all in the case) that a settlement paid by us was in our best interests, when I protested our attorney actually told me to shut up, told my wife that I was not a lawyer and after he convinced her, he told me he couldn't represent a party that wanted opposite results. The worst part? After it was over, he said that he was late and had to be somewhere and rushed from the building.

damages -- that you suffered financial losses as a result-

In practical terms, to win a malpractice case, you must first prove that your attorney made errors in how she handled your case. Then you must show that you would have won the underlying case that the lawyer mishandled. (This second part is not required in Ohio.) Finally, you will have to show that if you had won the underlying case, you would have been able to collect from the defendant.

If our attorney had even cared a bit, he would have realized that we were legally allowed to move out. He had asked me at the beginning for 10 conditions that were wrong with the apartment and actually cut and pasted them for the answer to our lawsuit. He did less than the bare minimum and if he had put even minimal effort in, the landlord's entire case would have been thrown out of court. We had every right to expect damages of over 40,000.00 and instead we wound up paying the landlord more than 75k. Best of all, the judge held the ruling until my wife gave birth to our first child. That was great, every hope and dream we ever had died with the loss of everything we ever had and more besides.

The written admissions by our landlord were textbook examples of what NOT to write if you're a landlord. And we didn't hire the cheapest, crappiest lawyer we could find. Our attorney advertises EVERYWHERE, pays tremendous amounts to have negative reviews removed from the internet and claims to be the most successful tenant attorney in NYC. We were victims of our attorney. Victims of malpractice. Financially stripped of everything we had after we followed the law to the letter.

I refuse to believe that this is not a gross injustice that might be reheard if some type of attorney, maybe even a civil rights attorney, were to represent us.
This was my 2nd post. How am I trolling? Don't be scum. There are people who are legitimately hurt by bad lawyers.
 

justalayman

Senior Member
The attorney originally agreed to pay 75% of the damages.

On the 28th of the month, the offer was rescinded and only the refund was offered.

We had to accept the new terms because if we didn't, we'd have literally nothing, including the roof over our heads.

Finally, I'm talking about the "sign the settlement agreement or you and your wife will go to jail." The other part is simply a question. Threatened with jail and being hit with a full penalty (which happened anyway) by your own attorney isn't duress? Then what is?
oh bs. At that moment you would have still had $75k in your pocket

how could your attorney threaten jail? First, he isn't a cop or prosecutor is he? If not, then he may have advised you jail might be possible for some undisclosed matter, he cannot in fact threaten jail. Second, when you stood in front of the judge and you told the judge you had to sign the agreement as there would be some collapse of the world as we know it if you did not sign and your own attorney said; COULD, not WOULD, you didn't take the opportunity to look at your attorney and go;

say what? that is not what you said to me previously.

at that point the judge would be remiss to accept the agreement as it was apparent there was an issue that allowed you to freely enter into the agreement.
 
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