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    TiredHarassment is offline Junior Member
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    Harassment on a website

    What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? California

    There is a website called encyclopediadramatica and it claims its entries are protected as satire. Is there no line between satire and outright harassment? Saturday Night Live makes fun of celebrities without there being a clear attempt to destroy anyone. This site is quite different. Someone made an entry about me saying they can't wait for my death and making allegations that I am a thief and into fraud (neither true) and it has cost me business. The entry mixes some truths (such as I am trying to conceive) with outright lies (such as the thievery). The people who update this entry are going as far as stalkers, trying to find anything I've every done online, any website I've ever visited, where I've ever lived, etc., and are using what can be verified to try to bolster credibility for the rest. This is not satire. Advocating violence toward me and hoping for my death is not satire!!

    The day after this entry was put online, with as much info as was there, a group of thuggish-looking guys came to my door. I didn't answer, but they returned several times over the next few days. A few times, when I didn't answer, I'd watch through the peephole and see them standing to the side, like they were hoping I'd eventually open the door. It got to the point I didn't even take my dogs outside to go to the bathroom and some of my friends and my fiancé were calling me multiple times to make sure I was okay. Some of my ex-boyfriends jumped in to try to defend me from what was going on because it was making them very angry.

    This is having a real-world effect on my life, my business, and the stress is effecting my health. I mentioned moving in an online community and I'm being met with hostility based solely on that entry. If you look up my e-mail address, even my first name, the top entry is that entry. If I were to try getting a regular job instead of being in business for myself, or if any prospective clients were to do a search, that'd be the first thing they see. And employers DO research prospective employees online!! The website is almost a clone of the genuine wikipedia, so someone seeing this site doesn't always know it's not the genuine wiki. One of friends contacted me pissed off that the wikipedia would allow that, until I pointer out that it's the encyclopediadramatica, not the wikipedia. It reached a point a month back where I was close to killing myself to escape the phone calls and e-mails and from terror that the people who had been coming to my door were going to eventually hurt me. (They've since stopped coming.)

    Though this part is small beans, they and stir up trouble in any I'm on trying to get me banned, and have successfully had me banned from several online forums and communities. They actually go out of their way to track down where I am online, and once thrat I know of they managed to use IP information to confirm someone they thought was me was indeed me (I used a very different handle than usual to try to go about my day without them knowing who I was, and they tracked me down anyway).

    I'm already afraid for my future children. They've dragged my fiancé into it. They've dragged his ex-wife into it!! Thankfully she's a very sweet woman and wasn't angry with us for what they're doing. They went as far as to drag an ex's young daughter into it. They really go very far to find and spin things, making up stuff altogether as it suits them. I'd rather deal with being in the tabloid spotlight. At least the tabloids don't say they hope someone dies. I'm serious, the entry actually says that.

    I'm afraid of contacting the website's owners because they have a "disclaimer" on their site saying that any correspondence to them they can publish and use as they see fit, and I don't want to be harassed anymore. They claim they aren't responsible for what's published because it's all protected under the first amendment (but, if that's the case, why would it be illegal for me to write online that my neighbor is a child molester just because I'm mad at him?). I tried deleting the entry and was banned and it was put right back up.

    When "satire" begins to ruin someone's life and cause actual harm to business, is there any legal recourse? The damage to my reputation is far beyond repairable at this point, and I may have to change my name to make a fresh start. This is wrong. I shouldn't have to lose my name, part of my identity, and essentially go into hiding to get to lead a normal life.

    If I were to take the owners of this website to court, what would be the chances I could win? I'm not going to ask if I CAN sue, because I know anyone can sue, but winning is a different matter. Or are they right in that this is all first-amendment stuff they aren't responsible for, and I'm out of luck? I would rather die than to have to keep allowing this abuse or go into hiding to get away from it. I don't know the names of the people doing this, but I do know the contact information for the people behind the website who are allowing this to go on.

    They proudly refer to themselves as "snarkers", and are the bullies of childhood all grown up age-wise with more technology to allow their abuse to be worse than ever and whose parents can no longer punish them for trying to hurt the weaker kid on the playground.

    Please tell me I have some legal recourse against the owners of the website. Sadly, I know I am not the only person these particular people have done this too.
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    You should be in contact with both the police and an attorney.

    Just because a site claims it is satirical does not make it so. The First Amendment does not provide protection for speech that threatens national security or personal security, that defames, that is obscene or pornographic, that infringes on another's intellectual property rights or infringes on another's right to privacy. . . . . . .there are all sorts of limits placed on speech.

    It seems the site you are posting about here is ripe for a lawsuit.
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    Thank you. I wish I could say I'm exaggerating this, but I'm not. Regarding pornographic, they do have a nude picture of me on there from a photo account I have that is locked and can only be viewed with a password. It's since been removed, but they're hosting the picture somewhere else with some insulting text displayed under it. Of course I never gave anyone permission to re-post my nude photos nor even to access them. While not obscene (I was in a pool, and only one breast from the side can be seen), I'd rather it not be there. I do not appreciate potential employers being able to stumble upon a nude photo of me that was never for public viewing.

    The website allows adding new articles, but not taking them down. Victims have no direct recourse.

    I will start looking into attorneys. It's very bad, and I haven't even posted the worst of it because I start to feel physically ill from it.

    Thank you.
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    I'm sorry, I just saw through a DNS search that their registration information is private. This is something that could be ordered released?
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    The registrant is:

    DomainDoorman LLC Privacy Service
    1309 Grand Avenue PMB 456
    Coconut Grove, Florida 33133
    US
    Call 1-801-306-4032

    For more information, go to [url=http://www.whois.com]Whois.com - Domain Names & Identity for Everyone[/url] and where it says "domain name" type in: encyclopediadramatica.com
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    A link the offending page might be helpful in deciding what may be actionable and what is not. But assuming this is some sort of anonymous-posting type site, just identifying the perpetrators, much less successfully suing them, is going to be a very expensive proposition.
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    I know Encyclopedia Dramatica all too well. They have bashed just about everyone on the planet.

    The individuals running this site are 4chan regulars (4chan is a madhouse website where many script kiddies, hackers & crackers gather to post various images, most of which are pornographic, for fun & leisure).

    I'm not sure how they gained such a protected status, but they have yet to be taken out by anyone.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quincy View Post
    The registrant is:

    DomainDoorman LLC Privacy Service
    1309 Grand Avenue PMB 456
    Coconut Grove, Florida 33133
    US
    Call 1-801-306-4032

    For more information, go to [url=http://www.whois.com]Whois.com - Domain Names & Identity for Everyone[/url] and where it says "domain name" type in: encyclopediadramatica.com
    Quincy - that's a domain proxy service. They are NOT the registrant.
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    TiredHarrassment, please check your PMs.

    Edit: Or, rather, please enable your PMs. I have some information for you.
    Last edited by >Charlotte<; 10-29-2008 at 05:53 PM.
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    Thanks Zigner. I just copied what I saw and didn't think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clt747 View Post
    TiredHarrassment, please check your PMs.

    Edit: Or, rather, please enable your PMs. I have some information for you.
    Enabled. I didn't realize the default was disabled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuckoo Clock View Post
    The individuals running this site are 4chan regulars (4chan is a madhouse website where many script kiddies, hackers & crackers gather to post various images, most of which are pornographic, for fun & leisure).

    I'm not sure how they gained such a protected status, but they have yet to be taken out by anyone.
    4chan - the @sshole of the internet I found out today they run a .ru site for stuff that's illegal in the US, complete with child porn. I don't care to publicize the domain, and I refuse to go to it. 4chan regulars are the ones who hacked into Palin's Yahoo account.

    I'm not sure if their status is so much protected as they intimidate the living hell out of people by claiming the right to publish any correspondence, including name, address, and phone number. Since they're not nice people, there's concern that, if you ask them nicely to stop, then they'll just put your personal information out there and let hell come upon you.
    Last edited by ariastar; 10-30-2008 at 10:05 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by You Are Guilty View Post
    A link the offending page might be helpful in deciding what may be actionable and what is not. But assuming this is some sort of anonymous-posting type site, just identifying the perpetrators, much less successfully suing them, is going to be a very expensive proposition.
    It's as anonymous as IPs. I've looked around it, and it looks like one of the founders is a buddy of some of the main posters. Like the real Wikipedia, anyone can make or edit a post. However, trying to ban a harassing or slandering post will result in a ban by IP. If they own the website, it seems that would include at least SOME responsibility for what is posting, especially if it's abusive and endangers someone.

    Suing the individual perps would be out of the question unless a victim is very wealthy, but the owners of the site should hold some responsibility for what's there, especially considering they tout it as a satirical site, and some of the articles cross the line from satirical to outright dangerous slander causing real-world harm and monetary loss. The post on rape is "humor" but their standards, but the posts against individual people are often with the intent of harming someone's reputation and life.
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    Well, I tried to send the PM but it says you "have chosen not to receive PMs or are not allowed to receive PMs". I know who owns that site, I'm just not sure it's cool to post the name/info publicly. Fix your PMs or PM me your e-mail address, and I'll send you the info.

    This isn't, by the way, meant to encourage or discourage you as to whether you have a case. I can just point you in the right direction if you do.
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    TiredHarassment is offline Junior Member
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    Oh, I had checked the Receive Private Messages only from Contacts and Moderators. I sent you a PM. Having the right direction to go is a step in determining if there's a case, but a step doesn't mean there is one, I understand that. Thanks.

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