Contempt - My Proposal (part 2)

[gml659]

What is the name of your state? WA.

EX-WIFE,
GML>>>Please tell me that none of the above is true. Please tell me I am making this stuff up. You KNOW that the disparagement went on. Why do you think I put into the PP SO MANY provisions that had to do with Disparagement.....because it was already going on...that is why!!! I cannot just pull these creative PP provisions out of my head without experiencing the causality's first. Think about it. Why did I put all those provisions in the PP? To take you to Court four years later?? I am not a fiction writer. I am not that creative or forward thinking.

GML>>>I sent you an email a few weeks ago asking you that yourself, *****, **** (MY KIDS) and myself go to group counseling. If you agree to this I will DROP the Contempt. My goal ALL ALONG was NOT to go to Court but to get my Children back. I tried and tried. This is ALL I ask of you....other than please adhere to the PP. I will pay for ALL of it (counseling)...every dime. You have to get (MY 18yo) to agree. I am sure (15yo) will not have a problem going. I do request that I DO NOT want to use (BIASED COUNSELOR) though for personal reason. Anyone else is fine. I think this is reasonable. I am willing to take my lumps in Counseling too. Tell me what you think?

GML>>>I have also been honest with you all along about this email. I have tried to put in the phrase "This will (may) be submitted to Court" at the bottoms of all my emails. This "negotiation" that is going on via email is what the Court Facilitator told me CAN go on. I choose this avenue because it documents WHAT my goal is. My goal is to have my Children back. Counseling, I believe, is an effective means and the only means I can think of. Yes, (15yo) and I are getting along GREAT now. I have seen this before, though. I am getting along GREAT with the Children and then you do some "trick" to me using them as a tool. I am not going through another cycle of this again....GREAT to BAD.

GML>>>All I ask:
1. You, Me, (18yo) and (15yo) go to Counseling.
2. Counseling done by someone we mutually accept. This can be changed. We can go to more than one Counselor. I want the Counseling to be protracted....not just one or two sessions.
3. All I ask is everyones time which we can all mutually agree on to attend counseling and give it an effort.
4. I promise, I will pay for 100% of the cost of Counseling. I will pay for 100% of the Counseling if we go to more than one Counselor.

MAY BE SUBMITTED TO COURT.

Above came from:
[url]http://www.parentalalienation.com/PASfound3.htm[/url]

[rmet4nzkx]

You can't force your ex and 18 yo son to go to counseling, you have been told this before.
You may offer to pay for counseling for them and give them the options, but you CANNOT DICTATE your terms to them.

[gml659]

I my be able to NOT DICTATE but I can proceed with the Contempt. If she has done nothing wrong then let the Court throw the book at me. Yet, in contrary, I have a pile of evidence that while she was disparaging me I was trying to get them into Counseling. (I can post that evidence here if you like).

My point of view is this:

Counseling is normally done for positive outcome. I, not her, am the one pushing for this....BAD ME I GUESS. I am not asking her to walk across hot coals. I am willing to pay 100% for it.

I ask some of the Mom's out there:

If I am such a "Dead Beat" Dad why am I pushing for Counseling? For the Mom's out there that truly have Dead Beat Ex's how many of you would have welcomed my approach? I just want things to work out. How does this make me bad?

RMET, it is as if you are praying for my failure.

[rmet4nzkx]

You are doing this to yourself.
Please go and get an attorney and STOP doing this on your own, that will be money well spent. Let them look at your evidence and advise you.
As it is you are making it worse, counseling is a form of control for you, this is all a control game and you are loosing on every count.

[BelizeBreeze]

rmet, don't waste your breath.

gml659, grow the hell up. YOU go to counselling and leave the kids out of this. Christ man, are you stupid or just want the games to continue. This is an issue between you and your ex. LEAVE IT THERE!!!!

[rmet4nzkx]

Originally Posted by BelizeBreeze

rmet, don't waste your breath.

gml659, grow the hell up. YOU go to counselling and leave the kids out of this. Christ man, are you stupid or just want the games to continue. This is an issue between you and your ex. LEAVE IT THERE!!!!

Thank you! He doesn't get it, no wonder he is divorced and kids allienated, I'm about ready to jump through the screen and ******** scream!

I wish we had one of those icons where the hand comes up and wacks the side of the head

[stealth2]

Originally Posted by gml659

What is the name of your state? WA.

EX-WIFE,
GML>>>Please tell me that none of the above is true. Please tell me I am making this stuff up. You KNOW that the disparagement went on. Why do you think I put into the PP SO MANY provisions that had to do with Disparagement.....because it was already going on...that is why!!! I cannot just pull these creative PP provisions out of my head without experiencing the causality's first. Think about it. Why did I put all those provisions in the PP? To take you to Court four years later?? I am not a fiction writer. I am not that creative or forward thinking.

GML>>>I sent you an email a few weeks ago asking you that yourself, *****, **** (MY KIDS) and myself go to group counseling. If you agree to this I will DROP the Contempt. My goal ALL ALONG was NOT to go to Court but to get my Children back. I tried and tried. This is ALL I ask of you....other than please adhere to the PP. I will pay for ALL of it (counseling)...every dime. You have to get (MY 18yo) to agree. I am sure (15yo) will not have a problem going. I do request that I DO NOT want to use (BIASED COUNSELOR) though for personal reason. Anyone else is fine. I think this is reasonable. I am willing to take my lumps in Counseling too. Tell me what you think?

GML>>>I have also been honest with you all along about this email. I have tried to put in the phrase "This will (may) be submitted to Court" at the bottoms of all my emails. This "negotiation" that is going on via email is what the Court Facilitator told me CAN go on. I choose this avenue because it documents WHAT my goal is. My goal is to have my Children back. Counseling, I believe, is an effective means and the only means I can think of. Yes, (15yo) and I are getting along GREAT now. I have seen this before, though. I am getting along GREAT with the Children and then you do some "trick" to me using them as a tool. I am not going through another cycle of this again....GREAT to BAD.

GML>>>All I ask:
1. You, Me, (18yo) and (15yo) go to Counseling.
2. Counseling done by someone we mutually accept. This can be changed. We can go to more than one Counselor. I want the Counseling to be protracted....not just one or two sessions.
3. All I ask is everyones time which we can all mutually agree on to attend counseling and give it an effort.
4. I promise, I will pay for 100% of the cost of Counseling. I will pay for 100% of the Counseling if we go to more than one Counselor.

MAY BE SUBMITTED TO COURT.

Above came from:
[url]http://www.parentalalienation.com/PASfound3.htm[/url]

What was the point of this post?

[BelizeBreeze]

Originally Posted by stealth2

What was the point of this post?

Mental Masterbation????

[stealth2]

Ooooh, this is the continuation of another post. No wonder it makes no sense.

[rmet4nzkx]

Originally Posted by stealth2

Ooooh, this is the continuation of another post. No wonder it makes no sense.

same result when combined

[cyana24]

Originally Posted by gml659

What is the name of your state? WA.

GML>>>I have also been honest with you all along about this email. I have tried to put in the phrase "This will (may) be submitted to Court" at the bottoms of all my emails. This "negotiation" that is going on via email is what the Court Facilitator told me CAN go on. I choose this avenue because it documents WHAT my goal is. My goal is to have my Children back. Counseling, I believe, is an effective means and the only means I can think of. Yes, (15yo) and I are getting along GREAT now. I have seen this before, though. I am getting along GREAT with the Children and then you do some "trick" to me using them as a tool. I am not going through another cycle of this again....GREAT to BAD.

GML>>>All I ask:
1. You, Me, (18yo) and (15yo) go to Counseling.
2. Counseling done by someone we mutually accept. This can be changed. We can go to more than one Counselor. I want the Counseling to be protracted....not just one or two sessions.
3. All I ask is everyones time which we can all mutually agree on to attend counseling and give it an effort.
4. I promise, I will pay for 100% of the cost of Counseling. I will pay for 100% of the Counseling if we go to more than one Counselor.

MAY BE SUBMITTED TO COURT.

Above came from:
[url]http://www.parentalalienation.com/PASfound3.htm[/url]

GML, I hate to say this but this makes you sound just my ex. After cheating on me, leaving me (and 15 yo son, 17 yo daughter [now nearly 19 and 21]) for his latest and most well-to-do Honey, and financially ruining me so I had to declare bankruptcy, then he comes up with this same "we should all go to family counseling bulls*** to 'examine' what WE all did WRONG". I think not...not to say I didn't go to counseling myself and we (while we were still married) went to marriage counseling. Our teenagers certainly didn't anything wrong in the sense that "they" were the "cause" of my ex's leaving us. He offered to pay too, or his honey (now wife) would pay for it. No, clearly he was just trying to be usual control freak self - selfish, a huge overspender, and morally and ethically bankrupt also. Not to say that YOU are the same as my ex, but you certainly sound like him at the moment.

And to add to a point that stealth made in your "other thread", I know lots about my ex's house too because my kids tell me, so are you going to accuse me of PAS - I don't think so. My ex's true (lack of) character rings true every time they go to see him.

[gml659]

1st Control. Of course I am a Control "Freak"....who isn't. Read nearly every post here....it is about people trying to get CONTROL of something. Why do we have LAWS, JUDGES, ATTORNEYS....people want CONTROL. What is wrong with that? Look how frustrated people are here because they can't CONTROL cyber-me GML!!!

Let me get this right:

My Ex and I had a highly dysfunctional marriage for years (BOTH AT FAULT) and we Divorce. She filed on me - I AM WRONG.

The ex disparaged me for years to the Children - I AM WRONG.

The ex violated the PP for years - I AM WRONG.

I take the Ex to Court for Contempt - I AM WRONG.

The Ex tells my Sons (18yo and 15yo) that I took her to Court for Contempt (violation of the PP) - I AM WRONG.

She tells my 15yo that I took her to Court for the PSES, A LIE - I AM WRONG.

Instead of taking my Ex to Court in the past I try to work out our problems through counseling - I AM WRONG.

My Adult Son utterly disrespects me and plays me for a CHUMP, I do Tough Love on him - I AM WRONG.

I ask and plead with the Ex for years to quit Bad-Mouthing me, quit making unilateral decisions - I AM WRONG.

I Challenge a Law RCW 26.19.090 that is not legal in 40 states and deemed unconstitutional by many (Pennsylvania is the strongest) - I AM WRONG.

Now I want to get the whole family into Counseling with a licensed unbiased professional to look at ALL, I SAID ALL, our faults - I AM WRONG.

What should I do? Just leave town? Give up on my kids? Tell my older son that, "this is good your Mom took me to Court." A very good example!! Tell him, though, "I am wrong to take HER to Court". I paid a total of $53,000 JUST FOR MY 18yo in Chsup (NEVER LATE) since July of 97. I guess I should just back up a truck load of $$$$ to my Ex's house (paid for by inheritance..worth $630,000) and quit being greedy.....CONTROLLING. Hell, I was selfish wanting a relationship with my kids over the years....SELFISH ME. I should have done what any other doting, loving Father should have done....JUST LEAVE....RIGHT? Yea, I made mistakes....who doesn't. At least I NEVER beat my kids like my Ex's Husband did. YET, she took my Boys to Counseling so they could all get along. At least I don't have TWO Police records on me like my Ex's Husband does for beating up my kids. OH, but I guess my EX didn't mind that sort of control...he wasn't a CONTROL FREAK!!!

I have seen this before in other Forums I would get into in the 90's. The "Guys" combat each other to impress the "females". As I found there, the females were usually more objective.

Keep in mind, as with most, it would take me weeks and weeks to tell THE WHOLE STORY. Christ I was married to her for 18yrs.

GML

[gml659]

Those who care, check out what Supreme Court of Washington Decided in this case. The Mom in this case looks like Santa Clause compared to my EX. They utterly threw the book at her. (Keep in mind I am not a GENDERIST if the gender roles were reverse I would still applaud the case).


[url]http://www.courts.wa.gov/opinions/?fa=opinions.opindisp&docid=723664MAJ[/url]

[john123456]

gml:

Break down and spend the $200 for an attorney...sheesh.

[gml659]

Getting the Attorney advice is good. I may eventually do this. First I am going to talk to a few professional organizations to help me. The last attorney bill was about $20,000 for the Divorce. I AM NOT KIDDING.

My experience with Attorneys is that I have found I did most of the research, did most of the arguments, had to tell the Attorney to calm down....etc.

I recently won a case against an Inspection Company because I went under my house, took digital photos, made some very slick and think evidentary books, made all the documentary arguments. I got $45K out of that case. The Attorney got a third. This was OK....I hired him and he had the License.

GML