Do I have property rights?

[call me joe]

My now wife (but then fiancée) went and got herself pregnant before we were married. We weren't having sex at the time, but she said it was "God's will" or some such. (All I can tell you is that it better not happen again now that we're married.) Anyways, I have now accepted the child as my own so there is no problem there. But just before she was to have the baby, we were traveling. And, not having too much money, we tried to stay at a little flea bag motel but the manager said we couldn't get a room! He said there was no room, but I think it was because of my religion. Can I sue him? (That's not my question, I'm just curious.)

So here we are with no where to sleep and my wife is ready to pop. I know I shouldn't have done it, but we snuck onto a local farm and tried to make a place out where the animals were. My gosh you'd think we committed a felony or something. I don't know what kind of security system he had, but no sooner did my fiancée give birth did the whole area light up. I mean it was dark and then there was light everywhere. Then people started coming and they brought more people--it was a real mess. I couldn't run or anything; I was stuck. Then this guy came up (I think he was the landlord, but I'm not sure.) with a couple of his buddies and I'm thinking "Oh no, it's on now." I started to try to come up with some story this guy would believe so I could make an offer to pay for the night.

He wouldn't have any of it. Instead, he gave me stuff! No joke! He and his buddies started dropping things right in front of the kid! I don't mean little stuff either. I'm talking valuable things. I don't know how much it was worth and I don't care. I think it's their problem to pay taxes on that, right?

So, for my question. When all this stuff was brought for the kid, his mom and I weren't married. But now we are and I accept the kid as my own. I was wondering, who owns that stuff that was left? My wife thinks it is hers to hold for the kid and I think it's the whole family's. I'd ask the boy, but he's a little weird. He always seems to go off by himself and then starts talking. I followed him a few times, and there is no one there. At least no one I can see.

What do you think? Can I start burning some of that incense without asking the wife?

(P.S. I was just told that any suit I had with the motel is now barred by the Statute of Limitations so don't bother with that portion. Thanks though.)

[nextwife]

Is this a joke? Pregnant wife in a manger? C'mon!

[BelizeBreeze]

good one big guy

[byrd42]

I just laughed my you know what off. This guy is burning something other than incense!!!!!

[panzertanker]

Originally Posted by call me joe

So, for my question. I was wondering, who owns that stuff that was left?

What do you think? Can I start burning some of that incense without asking the wife?

1. The gifts of frankincense, incense and mir are a collective gift, being that in the time that they were given (about 2006 years ago) there were no laws for personal property rights.
2. If you want to tell the Birth of Jesus in your own unique way, all you had to do was say so.

God Bless everyone!

[KParrish]

i sooo needed a real good laugh today.. just got it...

[tranquility]

1. The gifts of frankincense, incense and mir are a collective gift, being that in the time that they were given (about 2006 years ago) there were no laws for personal property rights.

I'm pretty sure there was. Stealing was illegal well before the time of the events mentioned by the OP. I'm not sure a woman could own anything directly at the time. The child could (as a male). I don't know if the father had control and management of a man-child's property, but it would be the child which prevents Joe from burning the incense, not the wife.

(That is, from a legal sense. I'm sure mother has other inducements and support for her position.)

[AHA]

Originally Posted by call me joe

My now wife (but then fiancée) went and got herself pregnant before we were married. We weren't having sex at the time, but she said it was "God's will" or some such. (All I can tell you is that it better not happen again now that we're married.) Anyways, I have now accepted the child as my own so there is no problem there. But just before she was to have the baby, we were traveling. And, not having too much money, we tried to stay at a little flea bag motel but the manager said we couldn't get a room! He said there was no room, but I think it was because of my religion. Can I sue him? (That's not my question, I'm just curious.)

So here we are with no where to sleep and my wife is ready to pop. I know I shouldn't have done it, but we snuck onto a local farm and tried to make a place out where the animals were. My gosh you'd think we committed a felony or something. I don't know what kind of security system he had, but no sooner did my fiancée give birth did the whole area light up. I mean it was dark and then there was light everywhere. Then people started coming and they brought more people--it was a real mess. I couldn't run or anything; I was stuck. Then this guy came up (I think he was the landlord, but I'm not sure.) with a couple of his buddies and I'm thinking "Oh no, it's on now." I started to try to come up with some story this guy would believe so I could make an offer to pay for the night.

He wouldn't have any of it. Instead, he gave me stuff! No joke! He and his buddies started dropping things right in front of the kid! I don't mean little stuff either. I'm talking valuable things. I don't know how much it was worth and I don't care. I think it's their problem to pay taxes on that, right?

So, for my question. When all this stuff was brought for the kid, his mom and I weren't married. But now we are and I accept the kid as my own. I was wondering, who owns that stuff that was left? My wife thinks it is hers to hold for the kid and I think it's the whole family's. I'd ask the boy, but he's a little weird. He always seems to go off by himself and then starts talking. I followed him a few times, and there is no one there. At least no one I can see.

What do you think? Can I start burning some of that incense without asking the wife?

(P.S. I was just told that any suit I had with the motel is now barred by the Statute of Limitations so don't bother with that portion. Thanks though.)

Illegal drugs can do so much for your imagination, can't it?

[panzertanker]

Originally Posted by tranquility

I'm pretty sure there was. Stealing was illegal well before the time of the events mentioned by the OP. I'm not sure a woman could own anything directly at the time. The child could (as a male). I don't know if the father had control and management of a man-child's property, but it would be the child which prevents Joe from burning the incense, not the wife.

(That is, from a legal sense. I'm sure mother has other inducements and support for her position.)

True, but in the time of Jesus, the collective rights were reverted to the Male head of household.
That means "Joe" could do what he wants with the incense. He was "in charge".

[ceara19]

But everyone is missing the BIG picture.

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