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Chris P

Junior Member
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I live in Ohio.

My mother abandoned our family when I was 3. I've barely had contact with her in nearly 30 years. She is currently in a nursing home and my older sister (who cares for her) is telling me I can be held liable for any charges resulting from health care costs if I don't waive my right to consent. Any truth to this? Should I be worried about being liable to care for someone I view as a stranger?
 


Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? I live in Ohio.

My mother abandoned our family when I was 3. I've barely had contact with her in nearly 30 years. She is currently in a nursing home and my older sister (who cares for her) is telling me I can be held liable for any charges resulting from health care costs if I don't waive my right to consent. Any truth to this? Should I be worried about being liable to care for someone I view as a stranger?
Where is she?
 

Chris P

Junior Member
Also in Ohio. I don't know where exactly, and as awful as it sounds I don't care. It's not that I wish anyone to be sick or suffering, but I view this person as a complete stranger is all. It would be like me knocking on the door of some random person down the street and asking to take care of them.
 

LdiJ

Senior Member
Also in Ohio. I don't know where exactly, and as awful as it sounds I don't care. It's not that I wish anyone to be sick or suffering, but I view this person as a complete stranger is all. It would be like me knocking on the door of some random person down the street and asking to take care of them.
First, a son or a daughter is never responsible for the debts of a parent unless that son or daughter has signed some sort of documentation accepting responsibility for those debts. Therefore, there is nothing that you could or should sign that would protect you from being responsible for her debts, you already are not responsible. I suspect that there is something else up your sister's sleeve. Do not sign any document, ever, that you have not fully read, understood, or obtained advice from an attorney, first.
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
First, a son or a daughter is never responsible for the debts of a parent unless that son or daughter has signed some sort of documentation accepting responsibility for those debts. Therefore, there is nothing that you could or should sign that would protect you from being responsible for her debts, you already are not responsible. I suspect that there is something else up your sister's sleeve. Do not sign any document, ever, that you have not fully read, understood, or obtained advice from an attorney, first.
Have you reviewed Ohio's filial responsibility laws?
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
First, a son or a daughter is never responsible for the debts of a parent unless that son or daughter has signed some sort of documentation accepting responsibility for those debts. Therefore, there is nothing that you could or should sign that would protect you from being responsible for her debts, you already are not responsible. I suspect that there is something else up your sister's sleeve. Do not sign any document, ever, that you have not fully read, understood, or obtained advice from an attorney, first.
WRONG. Wrong. Wrong.
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
Filial responsibility law:

2919.21 Nonsupport or contributing to nonsupport of dependents.




(A) No person shall abandon, or fail to provide adequate support to:

(1) The person's spouse, as required by law;

(2) The person's child who is under age eighteen, or mentally or physically handicapped child who is under age twenty-one;

(3) The person's aged or infirm parent or adoptive parent, who from lack of ability and means is unable to provide adequately for the parent's own support.


(B) No person shall abandon, or fail to provide support as established by a court order to, another person whom, by court order or decree, the person is legally obligated to support.

(C) No person shall aid, abet, induce, cause, encourage, or contribute to a child or a ward of the juvenile court becoming a dependent child, as defined in section 2151.04 of the Revised Code, or a neglected child, as defined in section 2151.03 of the Revised Code.

(D) It is an affirmative defense to a charge of failure to provide adequate support under division (A) of this section or a charge of failure to provide support established by a court order under division (B) of this section that the accused was unable to provide adequate support or the established support but did provide the support that was within the accused's ability and means.

(E) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A)(3) of this section that the parent abandoned the accused or failed to support the accused as required by law, while the accused was under age eighteen, or was mentally or physically handicapped and under age twenty-one.

(F) It is not a defense to a charge under division (B) of this section that the person whom a court has ordered the accused to support is being adequately supported by someone other than the accused.

(G)

(1) Except as otherwise provided in this division, whoever violates division (A) or (B) of this section is guilty of nonsupport of dependents, a misdemeanor of the first degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (A)(2) or (B) of this section or if the offender has failed to provide support under division (A)(2) or (B) of this section for a total accumulated period of twenty-six weeks out of one hundred four consecutive weeks, whether or not the twenty-six weeks were consecutive, then a violation of division (A)(2) or (B) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree. If the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a felony violation of this section, a violation of division (A)(2) or (B) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree.

If the violation of division (A) or (B) of this section is a felony, all of the following apply to the sentencing of the offender:

(a) Except as otherwise provided in division (G)(1)(b) of this section, the court in imposing sentence on the offender shall first consider placing the offender on one or more community control sanctions under section 2929.16 , 2929.17 , or 2929.18 of the Revised Code, with an emphasis under the sanctions on intervention for nonsupport, obtaining or maintaining employment, or another related condition.

(b) The preference for placement on community control sanctions described in division (G)(1)(a) of this section does not apply to any offender to whom one or more of the following applies:

(i) The court determines that the imposition of a prison term on the offender is consistent with the purposes and principles of sentencing set forth in section 2929.11 of the Revised Code.

(ii) The offender previously was convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of this section that was a felony, and the offender was sentenced to a prison term for that violation.

(iii) The offender previously was convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of this section that was a felony, the offender was sentenced to one or more community control sanctions of a type described in division (G)(1)(a) of this section for that violation, and the offender failed to comply with the conditions of any of those community control sanctions.



(2) If the offender is guilty of nonsupport of dependents by reason of failing to provide support to the offender's child as required by a child support order issued on or after April 15, 1985, pursuant to section 2151.23 , 2151.231 , 2151.232 , 2151.33 , 3105.21 , 3109.05 , 3111.13 , 3113.04 , 3113.31 , or 3115.31 of the Revised Code, the court, in addition to any other sentence imposed, shall assess all court costs arising out of the charge against the person and require the person to pay any reasonable attorney's fees of any adverse party other than the state, as determined by the court, that arose in relation to the charge.

(3) Whoever violates division (C) of this section is guilty of contributing to the nonsupport of dependents, a misdemeanor of the first degree. Each day of violation of division (C) of this section is a separate offense.


Amended by 129th General AssemblyFile No.29, HB 86, §1, eff. 9/30/2011.

Effective Date: 01-01-1998
So it is very possible that a CHILD can be responsible for a parent's support WITHOUT signing anything. OP has a defense however. Oh yeah, and this is a CRIME in Ohio not to support your parent.
 

Chris P

Junior Member
I have not, I was hoping to just get a quick answer here. Thank you for the response, my sister is the black sheep of the family and is very scandalous. Now that I have something to go on I will research that. I just wasn't sure where to start and will review the "filial" laws
 

Ohiogal

Queen Bee
I have not, I was hoping to just get a quick answer here. Thank you for the response, my sister is the black sheep of the family and is very scandalous. Now that I have something to go on I will research that. I just wasn't sure where to start and will review the "filial" laws
The filial law comment was to LD for saying a child is NEVER responsible for a parent's debts unless they sign.
 

Chris P

Junior Member
My sister says she has drawn up papers for me to review and sign for me to waive any right to liability. I will research a bit more and read her 'papers' very carefully before signing anything. But as it stands, from what I gather from your posts, is that I am currently liable for 'support' but not 'debt'?
 

Zigner

Senior Member, Non-Attorney
My sister says she has drawn up papers for me to review and sign for me to waive any right to liability. I will research a bit more and read her 'papers' very carefully before signing anything. But as it stands, from what I gather from your posts, is that I am currently liable for 'support' but not 'debt'?
Support vs debt is semantics.
 

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