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Old 12-21-2008, 07:02 PM
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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington State

My question pertains to animal custody... The Dog was bought back in March of 2005 by myself. My parents gave me the money for the dog and for the costs to fly to get the dog and to neuter and tack (precautionary bloat procedure). These reciepts are in my care showing that it came from my bank account along with the dogs other vet bills and also shows on the animal hospital records. Well the AKC breeder at the time put the dog under both my name and my ex-husbands name (husband at the time) at the time of purchase. Well, we got a divorce this last August of 2008 which we were sharing custody of the animal at the time. The divorce papers do not contain who got the dog (as I know it is a property issue). Now I am moving out of state (3000 miles away) and told him I am taking the dog. He wants me to pay him for 1/2 what the dog costed and for his toys all of which I bought. I put the dogs Microchip and license registration in my current boyfriends name but the AKC is still in my name and my ex-husbands name as a co-owner and not sure if he will sign over his portion of the AKC registration. What consitiutes ownership and what case do I have? I switched the microchip information to my current boyfriends name so that he cannot access my dogs information from my cell phone number since he does not have any of my boyfriends information. Also I would like to ask, he does have the dog at the moment and I am going to pick him up the day before I leave... What happens if he does not give the dog back? If I called the police to report it can they do anything being as the microchip is in my boyfriends name?
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Old 12-21-2008, 09:01 PM
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What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Washington State

My question pertains to animal custody... The Dog was bought back in March of 2005 by myself. My parents gave me the money for the dog and for the costs to fly to get the dog and to neuter and tack (precautionary bloat procedure). These reciepts are in my care showing that it came from my bank account along with the dogs other vet bills and also shows on the animal hospital records. Well the AKC breeder at the time put the dog under both my name and my ex-husbands name (husband at the time) at the time of purchase. Well, we got a divorce this last August of 2008 which we were sharing custody of the animal at the time. The divorce papers do not contain who got the dog (as I know it is a property issue). Now I am moving out of state (3000 miles away) and told him I am taking the dog. He wants me to pay him for 1/2 what the dog costed and for his toys all of which I bought. I put the dogs Microchip and license registration in my current boyfriends name but the AKC is still in my name and my ex-husbands name as a co-owner and not sure if he will sign over his portion of the AKC registration. What consitiutes ownership and what case do I have? I switched the microchip information to my current boyfriends name so that he cannot access my dogs information from my cell phone number since he does not have any of my boyfriends information. Also I would like to ask, he does have the dog at the moment and I am going to pick him up the day before I leave... What happens if he does not give the dog back? If I called the police to report it can they do anything being as the microchip is in my boyfriends name?
That should have been taken care of at the time of the divorce. If he does not give the dog back then you don't have the dog. Quite frankly you don't get shared custody of the dog. A dog is property. YOu gave the dog to him to have. You will end up going to court to fight over the property issue. Pay him the 1/2 of the dog's cost and don't let him have the dog again.
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Old 12-21-2008, 10:54 PM
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First of all I don't like attitude, second I would like a person to give a legal stand point instead of an opinion.... I KNOW it should have been taken care of durring the divorce, bottom line is that it WAS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! as I mentioned in my Thread.... Hello that's why I asked for advice. Also did I not mention in my post that I know the dog IS considered PROPERTY (I'm not dumb lady). Also I did NOT state I gave the dog to him... There is a written and signed agreement that the dog is being shared between the both of us.

Personaly I don't like your advice as you apparently did NOT read my entire concern.... I should not have to pay half when clearly I have the recipts to show I paid for him.

This site is bogus.... I would like real legal advice instead of some opinion.

PLEASE READ ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE POSTING RESPONSE AS THE PERSON WHO RESPONDED JUST RESTATED WHAT I HAD SAID IN MY THREAD.

Also I would like to add he himself told me that, "I do not want to pay for court and legal fee's so I am giving up the dog"..... YES it is in writting that he is giving up the dog.
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:26 PM
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First of all I don't like attitude, second I would like a person to give a legal stand point instead of an opinion.... I KNOW it should have been taken care of durring the divorce, bottom line is that it WAS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!! as I mentioned in my Thread.... Hello that's why I asked for advice. Also did I not mention in my post that I know the dog IS considered PROPERTY (I'm not dumb lady). Also I did NOT state I gave the dog to him... There is a written and signed agreement that the dog is being shared between the both of us.

Personaly I don't like your advice as you apparently did NOT read my entire concern.... I should not have to pay half when clearly I have the recipts to show I paid for him.

This site is bogus.... I would like real legal advice instead of some opinion.

PLEASE READ ENTIRE THREAD BEFORE POSTING RESPONSE AS THE PERSON WHO RESPONDED JUST RESTATED WHAT I HAD SAID IN MY THREAD.

Also I would like to add he himself told me that, "I do not want to pay for court and legal fee's so I am giving up the dog"..... YES it is in writting that he is giving up the dog.
And, just that easily, you pissed off all of the people here that would normally have gone through ever little bit of detail to help you ... and all for free.

Enjoy your hissy fit.
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Just leave it as is and stop making yourselves sound real stupid about the sisutation at hand. Further more I don't need to know how to spell corcetly on here. I know how to spell perfectly fine. I did graduate high school and never once had any problems with my grammer.
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:28 PM
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Also I would like to add he himself told me that, "I do not want to pay for court and legal fee's so I am giving up the dog"..... YES it is in writting that he is giving up the dog.
Well then, why are you here asking what happens if he doesn't? You think the site is bogus, so take your bad attitude and bad spelling and bad grammar and go elsewhere.

By the way, what you got was a legal opinion from an attorney. For free.
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:32 PM
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Well then, why are you here asking what happens if he doesn't? You think the site is bogus, so take your bad attitude and bad spelling and bad grammar and go elsewhere.

By the way, what you got was a legal opinion from an attorney. For free.
I am not saying I have seen this once or twice... .but...

One will get you ten that the dog is a great dane... which means there have been some serious feeding bills....
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Just leave it as is and stop making yourselves sound real stupid about the sisutation at hand. Further more I don't need to know how to spell corcetly on here. I know how to spell perfectly fine. I did graduate high school and never once had any problems with my grammer.
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:34 PM
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One will get you ten that the dog is a great dane... which means there have been some serious feeding bills....
Well they say that dogs resemble their owners, so I'll put my money on it being an ill-tempered, yappy chihuahua.
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Well they say that dogs resemble their owners, so I'll put my money on it being an ill-tempered, yappy chihuahua.
I see why you would say that, but bloat is the number one killer of great danes. Since they are such active animals, their internal organs jump around a great deal.

Unfortunately, GD's stomachs are not anchored to the ribcage and so the entire digestive tract can get twisted... and kill one of the most lovable 180 pound lap dogs you will ever know.

Of course, the funny part here is that OP hasn't yet realized that she has already put the dog in boyfriend's name... giving him some pretty significant arguments around ownership...
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Just leave it as is and stop making yourselves sound real stupid about the sisutation at hand. Further more I don't need to know how to spell corcetly on here. I know how to spell perfectly fine. I did graduate high school and never once had any problems with my grammer.
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:43 PM
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Dang it, cyjeff, now she knows I didn't "READ ENTIRE THREAD"!
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:56 PM
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Dang it, cyjeff, now she knows I didn't "READ ENTIRE THREAD"!
It's okay.

I did.

It just didn't change Oggy's answer any.
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Just leave it as is and stop making yourselves sound real stupid about the sisutation at hand. Further more I don't need to know how to spell corcetly on here. I know how to spell perfectly fine. I did graduate high school and never once had any problems with my grammer.
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Old 12-22-2008, 12:09 AM
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Yes I might have bad grammer, spelling that is why I am not a lawyer. I DO have a dane a beautiful blue who is very sweet and the pics to prove it, I hate little yappy dogs. I may to YOU have had a fit but it's my dog and I would have appriciated someone to read and break down my concern into legal rights of what ownership consists of, not just a "your screwed" attitude. So yes it is FREE and that was what I got "FREE" advice. There was no factual law information about my situation but a person who just said deal with it. What about the specifics? Like Microchip? That counts. Licensing? That is huge as you can be fined without it and my ex never did it. The recipts and bills behind the dog (Who is responsible for the pets care). So yes I would have liked a more practical answer and NO she did not read anything, she missed a lot of information that was important.
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Old 12-22-2008, 12:13 AM
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Yes I might have bad grammer, spelling that is why I am not a lawyer. I DO have a dane a beautiful blue who is very sweet and the pics to prove it, I hate little yappy dogs. I may to YOU have had a fit but it's my dog and I would have appriciated someone to read and break down my concern into legal rights of what ownership consists of, not just a "your screwed" attitude. So yes it is FREE and that was what I got "FREE" advice. There was no factual law information about my situation but a person who just said deal with it. What about the specifics? Like Microchip? That counts. Licensing? That is huge as you can be fined without it and my ex never did it. The recipts and bills behind the dog (Who is responsible for the pets care). So yes I would have liked a more practical answer and NO she did not read anything as Cyjeff pointed out, she missed a lot of information that was important.
Don't go putting words in my mouth.

I never said that OhioGal did or didn't read your thread.

All I said was that she was correct.
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Just leave it as is and stop making yourselves sound real stupid about the sisutation at hand. Further more I don't need to know how to spell corcetly on here. I know how to spell perfectly fine. I did graduate high school and never once had any problems with my grammer.
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Yeah well cyjeff that is why I took it out, the "edit" button is useful in that way. I don't put words in other peoples mouths and personaly I don't think she is right and I think she needs better evidence to back her theory up.
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Yeah well cyjeff that is why I took it out, the "edit" button is useful in that way. I don't put words in other peoples mouths and personaly I don't think she is right and I think she needs better evidence to back her theory up.
Evidence?

Oggy has been an attorney for over 20 years. (OG - I know it is longer but I didn't want to give your age away... call it an early Christmas present).

She has FORGOTTEN more law than most of us here will ever learn.

Property is just that. If you didn't determine who owned this piece of property, possession is 9/10ths of the law.

In other words, he is under zero obligation to return the property to you now or at any time.

You could sue. That would cost you much more than your half of the property would.

There is also no value to be placed upon that property from any emotional attachment you may have to it.
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Just leave it as is and stop making yourselves sound real stupid about the sisutation at hand. Further more I don't need to know how to spell corcetly on here. I know how to spell perfectly fine. I did graduate high school and never once had any problems with my grammer.
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No offense... but how long she has been an attorney doesn't determine weather she is good at it or not. Has she been to court? Has she won cases? What has she done with law? What about animal law? Has she ever done animal law? Whatever the case it doesn't matter, she gave me a rude response and what I needed was more facts behind my case.

I don't want to sue, I was only curious that if I called the cops to report it and they ran his microchip and it goes back to my boyfriend do I have a chance to get him back from the department regardless of what he decides to do next?

I'm not a mean person but I refuse to be talked down to by someone who feels the need. Maybe to you as well as other posters she was not rude, but to me she was. I have read about these cases and how the judge decides what's best for the animal. I've read things from giving the dog to whomever pays his bill to whomever has the kids or to whomever bought the dog. My question was not suppose to be if I was right or wrong but weither the ID and license stands a chance.
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