Brother in restriction.

[Giggly1127]

What is the name of your state? VA

Hello, my younger brother recently got in trouble for lying to an officer. He has since been put on 60 days restriction. I am really ignorant when it comes to this restriction. I just know we were going to visit him at the naval base before christmas. My question is what is restriction? What will he be going through? Will we be able to visit him anytime during the 60 days? Thank you

[SHORTY LONG]

Being put on restriction is broad as it is long. Normally, one is restricted from leaving the Base, etc.
It really is up to whoever put him on restriction in what it encompasses!

You owe yourself & your family to contact his unit CO, and or the Chaplin to MAKE SURE that he will
be allowed to visit with you all.

You can do a search on his Branch & Unit to get telephone numbers if you already do not have them!

[Giggly1127]

Well I had heard it all depends on the case. Is it true that some restriction puts you in a jail like setting? I thought that was the brig?

[redleg17]

Going out when off-duty is a priviledge in the miltary and as such, restriction is not generally considered "punishment". Instead, they are simply withholding a priviledge from you.... however, 60 days is VERY extreme. Contact his CO, explain that you are coming in for a visit, and see if he/she would be willing to lift his restriction during that period.

[questionia]

Yeah - don't contact his CO. Your brother is an adult. He needs to find out what he can and can't do while restricted. Actually, he should have been (and probably was) made aware of his left and right limits when he was placed on restriction. Also, contacting his CO is going outside his Chain of Command (CoC). If he's Navy he probably has an LPO - Lead Petty Officer and a Chief and then a DIVO. Do not go around his CoC.

[Giggly1127]

I work third shift and it is almost impossible to ever get ahold of my brother. Which is why i cannot ask him, what about his wife and children? We found out he will just be restricted to base. Do they not take into account his wife and children who reside in his home with him?

[racer72]

Originally Posted by Giggly1127

I work third shift and it is almost impossible to ever get ahold of my brother. Which is why i cannot ask him, what about his wife and children? We found out he will just be restricted to base. Do they not take into account his wife and children who reside in his home with him?

He should have thought of that before he got in trouble. He will be allowed to talk to and see his family. Considering a base restriction is mild compared to what could have happened if he had to go through a Captain's mast. What is does mean is he is staying in the Master At Arms barracks. Besides his regular work, he likely has other work details after his regular job and on weekends. He will be given time to take care of personal matters as needed. If he is a good boy, he can be released from restriction early.


racer72>Received 7 days restriction to base for playing a joke on a junior officer.

[>Charlotte<]

Will you make an exception on the PMs so I can hear what the joke was??

[Sparq]

In the Navy restriction is much different then the other services. Restriction is a awarded at Captain's Mast, which is the Navy's way of saying Article 15. There are several types of punishments that can be awarded.

a. Restriction - You are allowed to go to chow and work, normally you get allowed one hour in the gym each day. Also you can go to church on Sunday. The maximum that can be awarded at one sitting by a O-5 or above is 60 days. If there was suspended restriction from a previous Captain's Mast, that can be added to the days awarded (i.e. if you are awarded 60 days, but had 30 on a suspended bust you will get 90 days). If they are nice they will let you schedule visitations, normally once a week.

b. Extra Duty - You finish your duty day, and then work for up to four extra hours.

c. Reduction in Rank - The CO can take away one current rank (i.e. if you were an E-5 you are now a E-4). Unless you are frocked, this is like getting rank early but not being paid for it. You will lose the frocked rank and the rank you were before you were promoted (i.e. You just got promoted to E-5 from E-4, you are still a E-4 for six months, if you went to mast you would lose both).

d. Monetary Punishment - You will hear this called "Half months times two", basically they will take half of your months pay for two months.

e. Bread and water - If you are unlucky and get busted down to E-3 or below and are stationed on a ship, you can end up receiving bread and water for up to 3 days.

f. Suspended bust - They can suspend any of the above for six months, if you were to get into any kind of trouble during that six months it would no longer be suspended.

Hope this helps

[racer72]

Originally Posted by Clt747

Will you make an exception on the PMs so I can hear what the joke was??

One blustery morning while stationed at Whidbey Island NAS, I came out of the chow hall and walked by an officer without saluting. He let me know about right away. He told me that saluting is a sign of respect to the uniform, it does not matter who is in the uniform. A few days later I saw the same officer and remembered something told to me by a Master Cheif while in A school. The MC said he would salute junior officers and bark out a greeting, this would often fluster them. As I walked by the officer I snapped a sharp salute and said "Good morning, uniform". Needless to say the guy was not impressed. Neither was my division officer that gave me the 7 day restriction to base. I was cut loose after 4 days for being good.

[badapple40]

Another funny story:

Without getting into the specific details of where I was recently, I will state that I was in a joint environment (mix of services).

On the base in the AOR, there's a variety of units. I'm out for a morning run with one of the paralegals who is also deployed (AF MSgt). An army company is doing unit PT (and these aren't combat troops mind you, but a support company). Base regs say you salute in PT gear, but only if you aren't actively doing PT.

The company FSgt, at the behest of the company commander, stops our run and demands to know why we didn't salute the CO or the platoon leaders (first mistake: assuming that because I am with a MSgt he knows, that I am also enlisted; second mistake: reading the regs improperly to begin with). I tell him that the regulation in question only requires a salute when not doing PT, which we were (as were they). He (the FSgt) tells me he doesn't want to hear it, and asks for my name and unit (which was the SJA office) and states that he and his CO wants to talk with my commander or officer in charge. I was careful not to identify my grade.

I could have just stated that I was the acting SJA, a full Colonel, and lit up said FSgt and his CO (something I wouldn't do in front of this guys troops anyways for a variety of reasons). But that just wouldn't have been nearly as fun as when the FSgt and Captain come to the SJA office and ask to speak with ______ (insert badapple's last name) CO. Of course, they were a little bit surprised when they were led down the hall to the Wing Commander's (1 star general) office, and the look on their face when they walked in the office and there I am, in uniform, and he spots the eagle. The realization hit them that they were in some deep doo doo and their faces turn white. The Wing Commander knows this was coming (and is doing his best to hide his laughter).

Of course, all I said was "here's my CO if you want to lodge a complaint about my not saluting in PT gear, but I think you'll find that the regulation in question specifically exempts out those actively engaged in PT, which I tried to tell the FSgt earlier, and I'm pretty sure that a Captain is supposed to initiate the salute to a Colonel, unless Congress has completely revamped the rank structure since I last checked." The general asks "Captain, did you have a complaint?" He meekly belts out a "no sir," his FSgt is practically white, and the general says "OK, thank you gentlemen, I'll let Colonel _____ handle it from here." I walk them out, tell them "no hard feelings" and remind the Captain that a good officer inquires into a situation, and a good NCO knows the regulations cold to keep his boss out of trouble. Relief comes back to their faces as I tell them I consider the matter closed.

I'll tell you another story sometime later about how your badapple gets himself in a pissing match with an AF First Sergeant while deployed, over reflective tape on a Airman Battle Uniform (flight suit) and whether it is dusk, or after dark, etc. I was the one wearing the ABU (went flying that morning -- not as the pilot, but as a guest of my former roommate at the Air Force Academy who is the operations group commander). And this FSgt proceeds to lecture me about reflective tape (in a respectful way, of course).

It is never the combat troops that you have these sorts of issues with...

[SHORTY LONG]

Outstanding Col. BadApple Sir. Reminds me of a song by John Lennon: Instant Karma going to get you....
Looking forward to other story when you are able to share.

My late Dad would say, Son, what goes around comes around. I am so happy, that
those who chose to do what they tried to do to you, got it without having to really
do nothing but show yourself and your full Eagle. Something to be said about
time when to speak, and time when not to speak.

Welcome home Sir, and I am personally very glad you are back aboard Sir.

[Fl_renter]

Originally Posted by Giggly1127

I work third shift and it is almost impossible to ever get ahold of my brother. Which is why i cannot ask him, what about his wife and children? We found out he will just be restricted to base. Do they not take into account his wife and children who reside in his home with him?

You don't get out of restriction just because your married or have kids. If you can't contact him because of your hours, call the wife!

[Sparq]

Badapple,

I am currently at one of those joint support bases, I will not say which one. The Air Force and Army have the same silly rules here, expect lucky for me I am in the Navy. We do not have a PT uniform so we will never salute in PT gear.

[my life is mine]

He will be expected to serve his 60 days of restriction, if on a ship, he will be confined to ship, except for possible exchange, commissary time which he will be escorted by usually and MA and other restircted personnel to both places. On ship he may be able to have guests at certain times, who can visit him in the mess deck.

If on shore command then they restrict to a certain buliding (not always brig) he may be able to have guests as stated before but confined to a general populace area. His wife and child may be able to visit him in either setting depending on the Command and how they handle restrictions.

He may have lost pay, he may have lost rank, it all depends on his Commanding Officer.