Conscientious Objection Discharge

[OneChance]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)?

Hello, my name is Richard. I have come here not because I am seeking a painless discharge from the military. More so because I'm very sincere about my beliefs. I had felt so strongly about this well before I heard such a discharge exists. I'm an excellent soldiers in the army, I do not hate the army for what it is. But I do hate what it stands for, what we do, and how we do it.

I heard about this discharge when a friend mentioned it to me while having a discussion with him about going to Iraq or Afghanistan. When I came back to my room, I did some research and found some interesting articles about it. It all seems to be fairly hidden from the public eye though for that matter the military eye.

What I know about this discharge is how to start one, and that I will be interviewed three times, by my CO, chaplain, and an investigator. I will also have to fill out the form DoD directive 1300.6, along with another form which i neglected to write the name of. Which merely states I may lose VA benefits because of refusal to follow military orders.

I know that this discharge is without a doubt 100% right for me. I know I can firmly discuss and prove my beliefs to anyone who may ask. If anyone knows any information in this manner, I will be glad to read and respond to them. I highly doubt anyone here has been through this discharge though.

Thanks and happy holidays
-Richard

[LeeHarveyBlotto]

Last I checked, the draft ended some time ago. Did you not know what the purpose of the military is when you joined?

[OneChance]

Originally Posted by LeeHarveyBlotto

Last I checked, the draft ended some time ago. Did you not know what the purpose of the military is when you joined?

I joined the army not to kill people, but to learn a trait. When I learned more about the military, I saw how wrong it truly is. The idea of this discharge is not based solely on whether or not you were drafted either. It is for people who realized afterwords that they cannot do so because of their beliefs.

So while I appreciate your reply I wish to receive only serious replies. I suppose that would be near impossible on the internet though.

[LeeHarveyBlotto]

I would seriously have your butt on a mountain in Afghanistan by tomorrow. That's how the military used to handle cowards.

[OneChance]

Originally Posted by LeeHarveyBlotto

I would seriously have your butt on a mountain in Afghanistan by tomorrow. That's how the military used to handle cowards.

If I would be sent to Afghanistan tomorrow, I would not carry a weapon. If forced to carry a weapon, I would not carry ammunition. It's not my death I fear. It's knowing I willingly took part in murder of any degree that bothers me. I wouldn't be able to stand it. However if murder is your sport, than I suppose that's for you and g-d to sort out.

[Peligroso27]

Originally Posted by OneChance

If I would be sent to Afghanistan tomorrow, I would not carry a weapon. If forced to carry a weapon, I would not carry ammunition. It's not my death I fear. It's knowing I willingly took part in murder of any degree that bothers me. I wouldn't be able to stand it. However if murder is your sport, than I suppose that's for you and g-d to sort out.

Then you would go to court martial, the brig, and spend the rest of your life as a convicted felon. Sorry but your story doesn't fly here and it won't fly with the Army's cadre.

[OneChance]

Originally Posted by Peligroso27

Then you would go to court martial, the brig, and spend the rest of your life as a convicted felon. Sorry but your story doesn't fly here and it won't fly with the Army's cadre.

If that is how it plays out, then fine. I wouldn't have a tough time in my life even with a felony on my record. Now if we're past calling me a coward because I don't want to kill, I would appreciate actual advice. That's why I am here.

I see that everyone is more than happy to help out soldiers who ran away from the military. But I will not run. I suppose that makes me more of a coward to you all. Just because I'm not afraid of waking up early, and going to a motor pool, and standing in formation. Which is the simple stuff a lot of people go AWOL because of,

Now, I am already writing my paper for my request for this discharge. If I don't get it, then it's highly likely I may end up in prison because I refuse to kill. Although if avoidable I would like to have the information I need to not make things too difficult.

[seniorjudge]

I knew Mennonites who served (literally) on the front lines in Viet Nam, caring for the wounded.

You could do that.

[Silverplum]

Originally Posted by LeeHarveyBlotto

I would seriously have your butt on a mountain in Afghanistan by tomorrow. That's how the military used to handle cowards.

If I knew you in person, I'd drive to your house right now and HUG you.

Or buy you a coffee. Or bring you flowers. Maybe all of them.

[Silverplum]

Originally Posted by seniorjudge

I knew Mennonites who served (literally) on the front lines in Viet Nam, caring for the wounded.

You could do that.

That would require a courage and moral clarity the OP clearly does not have.

[seniorjudge]

Originally Posted by Silverplum

That would require a courage and moral clarity the OP clearly does not have.

Well...yeah...there is that.

[OneChance]

Originally Posted by seniorjudge

I knew Mennonites who served (literally) on the front lines in Viet Nam, caring for the wounded.

You could do that.

There is a request to change your duties. Perhaps if I can arrange to work in a hospital in Iraq/Afghanistan I would be very happy to do so.

[itaitab]

dont call this guy a coward for feeling that way.

the beatles put it very nice, all you need is love.


Peace * happiness

[ERAUPIKE]

[quote=itaitab;2132682]dont call this guy a coward for feeling that way.
want to know the truth?
Please enlighten us.

Originally Posted by itaitab

risking your life for political reasons is total bull s****.
my life is to precious to be wasted carrying out someones stupid wish.

I beg to differ. You will find as you go through life you are much more insignificant than you realize.

Originally Posted by itaitab

At the time of my awol i just couldn't handle the stress, and i was severely depressed because of the military lifestyle.
but now I feel like dieing for your country is the most idiotic thing one can do(minus ww2 & ww1). and a huge amount of sorrow goes out to everyone who had to have there life wasted in vain over the last 10 years.

You are dishonoring the service and sacrifice of thousands of men with your uneducated ranting.

Originally Posted by itaitab

In this pointless war fueled by Bush being mis-informed. Which he basically admitted in a interview.
if I'm going to die for something, it will be my family.
not because some politician wants to get re-elected.

This war has been beneficial for a country ruled by a tyrant. A man that killed thousands of people because of their beliefs and heritage. We invaded a country that had repeatedly violated sanctions placed upon it by the United Nations as a result of the 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

Originally Posted by itaitab

Oh and what about 9/11 you say? they need to be avenged you say? a whole country must die because of 9 religious idiots actions? sure bro whatever F yourself

There were 19 hijackers (20 if you count Zacarias Moussaoui) that killed 2,973 innocent citizens that day. You are obviously too young or ignorant to understand the impact those attacks had on our country.

Originally Posted by itaitab

anyone who's thinks I'm a idiot or whatever word you choose to use for saying this needs to rethink there outlook on life.
live the life you want to live. not the one somebody else wants you too. you only get one. Because Im living to be happy. not to be mis treated by a command who does not give a **** if your smiling or not.

I thought you were an idiot because of your poor command of the English language and glaring grammatical errors. Your opinion is misinformed and unwanted. You are obviously biased by your prior actions and lack of fortitude to serve out your commitment to the Army. Did you get the happy package guaranteed in your initial contract? I understand the frustration and hardships you must have endured for the four months you were at your command before you ran away. I'm sure the members of our armed forces that are deployed right now would also be very compassionate to your position as well.

Originally Posted by itaitab

the beatles put it very nice, all you need is love.


Peace * happiness

[itaitab]

Where on different sides of the pond.
Im not about negativity like this reply suggested, I apologize.