fraudulent enlistment

[minnmirman]

Well I enlisted, and on the 21st it's off to fort benning for me. My only worry is that pesky fraudulent enlistment i keep hearing about. I read that it's common, and I'm among those who withheld info. For me it's nothing serious. I have a scar on my hand from a work accident, and I said that it's from a bike accident and that I never went to the hospital (I did).

Theres nothing else wrong with me at all, and I'm pretty much in tip top shape, but I'm a bit worried about this coming back to haunt me later. I've read that they give you another chance to step forward and say what's wrong with you at the begining of basic, should i do that for what i have? Is there anything else that I should do, or should I just leave it at the wayside?

[fozzy2]

If there is nothing wrong and you're in "tip top" shape, then why did you lie about going to the hospital? If your hand is healed and works the doctor at the MEPS probably would have spent all of 3 extra minutes making you wiggle your fingers, make fists, etc. and then signed off on it. If the injury had some permanent impact (any metal pieces in there?) then a future medical exam may well highlight your lack of candor.
If you had surgery or broken bones a doctor in the future might note this (by surgical scars, healed bone on an x-ray, etc.) and when he looks in your record he may get curious, or quite mad.

If you have no reason to lie it seems a senseless risk to lie. At this early stage you can probably "get out of" your deception fairly easily. You can amend your medical history statement and simply say "Oh, I forgot that I DID visit the hospital for that." If you are on active duty some time in the future, however, and for any reason a doctor X-Rays your hand and sees evidence of unreported surgery/injury, there could be all kinds of serious repurcussions.

[minnmirman]

yeah i realize it was stupid, at the time i was listening to my recruiter, which was also stupid. Let's get away from from the stupid part.

An x-ray or any other such check would never reveal anything, as ive never broken any bones or had any surgery of any sort. The thing I'm worried about is if they'd look back at my past medical records and see that I had in fact visited the hospital. With a 97 avsab and a couple years of college under my belt, i would think i wouldnt make such stupid mistakes like this...

[kwohl]

Originally Posted by minnmirman

yeah i realize it was stupid, at the time i was listening to my recruiter, which was also stupid. Let's get away from from the stupid part.

An x-ray or any other such check would never reveal anything, as ive never broken any bones or had any surgery of any sort. The thing I'm worried about is if they'd look back at my past medical records and see that I had in fact visited the hospital. With a 97 avsab and a couple years of college under my belt, i would think i wouldnt make such stupid mistakes like this...

the military wants you, and all they are worried about medically is if you can survive BCT without dieing and without too many injuries becasue you're more than likely going to get some pains out of BCT if you have a nice DS

as far as records go you can tell them anything when your inprocessing at ft.benning before they ship you "across the tracks."

as far as making mistakes i HIGHLY encourage you to think REALLY hard about what you've done before you leave your civilian status and become OWNED. you can easily get out of the DEPS contract w/o any repercussions (they try to make it sound like you can't, but the first time you swore into the army is meaningless). not to say im discouraging you or anything, i just hope you've thought hard about what you've done and included your family and friends in your decision making process. if your ready then ya HOOAH, but if not you still got a chance at freedom.

[badapple40]

Amend your medical history. Tell your recruiter that you want to do this, that you do not think it is disqualifying, but that you don't want to be found out later and him AND you face the brunt of it. Send it in writing to him or her, return receipt requested.

Lord knows how long you might be in the military. At some point, you might want/need some sort of security clearance. And when they strap you to the lie detector, and ask whether you've ever lied in the military, whala!

Like Fozzy said, this is not disqualifying, so it is really a stupid thing to get caught up it.

[minnmirman]

Well I know i dont want to get out of the army, I almost want to be "OWNED." No really I just need the direction in my life.

I have another thing to ask...can they go back and look at my past medical records? Cause if they can, why would anyone ever say to lie about them anyways. If they cant, than i dont see any reason to amend my thing(besides feeling like crap for lieing), because there's nothing to disqualify me in it.

[SHORTY LONG]

07 JUNE 06
[minnmirman] you have been given the best free advice, and it is clear that, it has fallen on your deaf ears. With that said, do it your way, and surely you will reap what you sow!
SHORTY OUT!

Originally Posted by minnmirman

Well I know i dont want to get out of the army, I almost want to be "OWNED." No really I just need the direction in my life.

I have another thing to ask...can they go back and look at my past medical records? Cause if they can, why would anyone ever say to lie about them anyways. If they cant, than i dont see any reason to amend my thing(besides feeling like crap for lieing), because there's nothing to disqualify me in it.

[kwohl]

Originally Posted by minnmirman

Well I know i dont want to get out of the army, I almost want to be "OWNED." No really I just need the direction in my life.

I have another thing to ask...can they go back and look at my past medical records? Cause if they can, why would anyone ever say to lie about them anyways. If they cant, than i dont see any reason to amend my thing(besides feeling like crap for lieing), because there's nothing to disqualify me in it.

yes they can look at your past records, but they only look at them if they reason to look at them--for example if you develop some type of serious injury in BCT then there is a pretty good chance they might dig up your past records. as with everything in the army, its a crap-shoot and i personally don't like gambling with the army b/c they can make your life miserable for the stupidest stuff. people lie for many reasons from convience to fear, but its just a bad idea to do it.

[minnmirman]

Originally Posted by SHORTY LONG

07 JUNE 06
[minnmirman] you have been given the best free advice, and it is clear that, it has fallen on your deaf ears. With that said, do it your way, and surely you will reap what you sow!
SHORTY OUT!

hmmm, i dont understand this comment. Are you saying that joining the army in the first place was a mistake? The army isnt for everyone, but wouldnt that mean that it's for some people too??

If it was about the advice i asked about, i would not say it's fallen on deaf ears. I'm definitely taking everything that everyone's said into consideration. In fact, Im planning on having my recruiter amend my statement to include my hospital visit.

Please elaborate on what you've said

[DRTDEVL]

They will NOT look up your records... EVER!

Think about this: How many different hospitals are in the US? Now, how much manpower/money are they willing to throw out just to check applicant's medical history? NONE.

Ship out, and don't worry. You have a scar... So what? As long as the scar was annotated on your DD FORM 2808 (the medical form you filled out at MEPS with the doctor's notes on it), you will be fine. Period.

[4everblue]

You see, this is the grand conspiracy you buy into before you actually enlist ... you've passed the test. Because you are so caught up on this little matter, we all know you will make an extraordinarily good soldier.

How do we know this? Because two out of ten other soldiers actually inhaled when they said they didn't, and they sleep just fine at night. (not official information) That tells me something different than what your lie tells me ... we all lie now and again ... that's something these other Joe's aren't mentioning of course ...

A few other soldiers are probably felons .... so hang in there during basic, and practice that stiff upper lip in the mirror, while you still have some privacy ... and take good care of those top of the line porcelin (sp?) Gods. You'll have a whole new respect for em' Things will get into persepective about two weeks into your first assignment. I'll say no more. Take it easy.

Good luck bud

[SharkUW]

Originally Posted by minnmirman

yeah i realize it was stupid, at the time i was listening to my recruiter, which was also stupid. Let's get away from from the stupid part.

An x-ray or any other such check would never reveal anything, as ive never broken any bones or had any surgery of any sort. The thing I'm worried about is if they'd look back at my past medical records and see that I had in fact visited the hospital. With a 97 avsab and a couple years of college under my belt, i would think i wouldnt make such stupid mistakes like this...

Ha, talk about a mirror. I went in under the same circumstances. Sure, I quit in just over a year. There was a lot of yelling involved, got pushed a few times. But, I found telling off the BC to be a very rewarding experience. Lemmie know if you wanna get out without something punitive and no drugs. I might be able to help

[ARMY-HELP]

You could always tell them you forgot you went to the hospital.

If it don't bother you don't mention it.

from what you're saying I assume you have an 18 series contract,am I rite? If you change your statement during your moment of truth at basic you can loose that and be assigned another MOS.