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Health and Welfare inspectionsI have a soldier currently under an adultery investigation due to a female being found in his room when a health and welfare inspection was being conducted. it was conducted at 0400 one morning 2 hours before first formation. no one was notified that is was to take place, the 1SG and CDR just started going through rooms . when he answered his door the 1SG said what they were there for and pushed there way through into his barracks room. my question is simply this, are there any rules governing health and welfare inspections and if so what are they and where can they be found. I searched the manual for courts martial quite extensively and havent found very much at all to go on. Or do Commanders simply have 'free reign' under the banner of health and welfare and can conduct them whenever, wherever, with no notice whatsoever. Any help in this would be great. Thanks Tim Last edited by stitchman21; 02-24-2005 at 11:11 AM. |
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| he didnt catch you in the act, and if you both deny it then it cant be adultry |
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| he didnt catch you in the act, and if you both deny it then it cant be adultry |
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| MWH inspections are widespread. The only basis to challenge them is that they were targeted at specific individuals. However, since he went "door to door," the search is valid and any contraband/criminal activity observed is likely to be admitted. You may have a defense to this based on the standards set forth by CAAF in U.S. v. Marcum. Are you married? If not, I take it she is? Who is she married to?
__________________ The giving or taking of any advice given in this forum does not constitute an attorney-client relationship and any readers of any posts acknowledge that they are not in any type of attorney client relationship with the poster. |
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| Bad Apple, I disagree. An inspection is not allowed to be a cover for a search without a warrant. And commanders do need a warrant to do a search. Commanders do not have a free hand to do an inspection at will, at least not when the real intent is to uncover illegal activity. I would bet that the inspection was not targeted at the two individuals caught in, or close to the act. But the supposed inspection was meant to uncover unknown individuals breaking the rules. The key point is obviously the timing of the inspection. The point to make is how many other 0400 inspections have occurred at this command? I am certain that a 0400 inspection is not normal. This is when people sleep and the only reason to inspect them while they are in bed is to see who they are in bed with. Contrary to popular belief, members of the military are entitled to privacy. The rules for this are extensively covered in the military rules of evidence. Research this manual, not the RCM. It has been several years since I fought this battle. I filed a motion to dismiss the evidence based on an illegal search on my base housing unit. I feel that it wise to at least threaten to fight this charge based on the illegal search. This may prompt the convening authority to consider a much more favorable means of punishment or a better pretrial agreement. At least this is what I believe got me my pretrial agreement of no bad conduct discharge. The command agreed to the PTA and I agreed to drop the motion. Good luck and fight on! …CeLaw
__________________ I live In Ohio. I am not an attorney, but I do have some personal experience with both the Criminal & Medical law in the Navy. I’ve got a SPCM conviction, an Honorable discharge & a Medical Retirement… |
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Now, just like I always do when challenged by someone who is clearly mistaken and giving poor advice: In United States v. Middleton, 10 M.J. 123 (1981), the Court of Military Appeals unanimously sustained the authority of commanders to conduct unit inspections. It noted that "such inspections are time-honored and go back to the earliest days of the organized militia." It observed that "the inspection has traditionally been a 'tool' for a commander to use in insuring 'the overall fitness of [his] unit to perform its military mission.'" Id. at 127 (citations and footnote omitted). After noting that the services "have made increasing efforts to provide privacy for servicemembers in their dormitories and barracks," id. at 128 n.8, it emphasized that, "while the living conditions of the modern serviceperson may be more comfortable -- and, indeed, more private -- than those known by their fathers, still the basic purpose for existence of the military has not altered; and neither has the need for the tool of inspection to insure the readiness of the individual serviceperson and of his unit to respond to an emergency." Id. at 128 (footnote omitted). With respect to the expectations of privacy under the Fourth Amendment, the court concluded that, "during a traditional military inspection, no serviceperson whose area is subject to the inspection may reasonably expect any privacy which will be protected from the inspection." Id. at 128. At the same time, the Court noted that an inspection might not be sustained if its character changed during the process or if the circumstances were unreasonable. Id. at nn. 9 and 10. The President has implemented this concern in Mil.R.Evid. 313(b) by providing that the "primary purpose" of an inspection cannot be to "obtain[] evidence for use in a trial by court-martial." However, the Rule expressly permits use of the fruits of an inspection in a disciplinary proceeding, so long as the primary purpose is "to determine and to ensure the security, military fitness, or good order and discipline of the unit[.]" In United States v. Jackson, 48 M.J. 292, the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces noted that: Quote:
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All inspections are aimed towards finding illegal activity or contraband. The key is whether there is particularized suspicion of an individual soldier, no probable cause, and the inspection is merely a pretext for nailing that individual. That is clearly not the case here. A generalized suspicion that soldiers may have unauthorized persons in their room doesn't cut it -- it is no different and presents better facts than those present in Jackson. The lesson for today is over.
__________________ The giving or taking of any advice given in this forum does not constitute an attorney-client relationship and any readers of any posts acknowledge that they are not in any type of attorney client relationship with the poster. Last edited by badapple40; 03-24-2005 at 02:00 PM. Reason: to be nicer to the person I am responding to. |
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| BadApple, I apologize for not doing my homework and answering (and more importantly challenge you) with out a rules of evidence or any case laws to back it up. I will more clearly state that I have an opinion rather than I statement of fact next time I answer another post. The last thing I want to do is to mislead someone and make a bad situation worse. As for being on the wrong end of a court martial and think I know it all, well, I don't. I did do a lot of my own research when defending my case. I also did a lot of research in my medical challenges. I try to state that I have experience, not expertise, in military law. I do believe that I would not have accomplished as much as I have if it weren’t for my own research and diligence in defending my case. BTW, nice meeting you and I do appreciate the lesson! CeLaw PS> Can we be friends? I am sure that if we work together, we may be able to accomplish something… ![]()
__________________ I live In Ohio. I am not an attorney, but I do have some personal experience with both the Criminal & Medical law in the Navy. I’ve got a SPCM conviction, an Honorable discharge & a Medical Retirement… Last edited by CeLaw; 03-25-2005 at 12:21 AM. |
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| OK -- I've editted to be a little nicer. Seriously, when you create legal research work for me to have to prove that I am right, it jerks my chain. Granted, I answer off the cuff, but I do so with 16 years experience on active duty (20 if you count the Academy), most of which as a judge advocate, and because I understand basic legal issues. If you want to challenge me, all I ask is that you do your homework first.
__________________ The giving or taking of any advice given in this forum does not constitute an attorney-client relationship and any readers of any posts acknowledge that they are not in any type of attorney client relationship with the poster. |
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| BadApple, True about the homework! I didn't have a rules of evidence book with me to research the issue. Perhaps I should not have came out and stated that I disagree and should have more clearly stated that I was not an expert, but rather had an opinion. I try to be cautious and state “I think”, rather than “I know” When one states they think they have the answer as opposed to knowing the answer, it allows for a small amount of protection when someone proves them wrong. Politicians do it all the time. Most of my knowledge with searches and rules if evidence involves military housing. I never had the need to research the MWH inspections exclusively. I did come across the several case laws about MWH inspections including the Jackson case, but I was mainly interested in the search warrant & probable cause issues. One area I found a lot of information about searches & inspections was the Navy’s Master at Arms training manuals. I thank you for editing your reply . I certainly was never in the position to reply in the same manner because your reputation here commands more respect than I could ever expect. I admit to people that I tend to see the law how I want to see rather than how it really is. My sole mission in life is to expunge my SCM conviction so that I may once again be free. But that topic requires a new thread. Maybe I’ll get a chance to put something together and have you comment on the information I have gathered. I do know that as it stands now, the only way to get relief from a conviction is thru a presidential pardon, but that could soon change! Have a good Easter weekend, CeLaw ![]()
__________________ I live In Ohio. I am not an attorney, but I do have some personal experience with both the Criminal & Medical law in the Navy. I’ve got a SPCM conviction, an Honorable discharge & a Medical Retirement… |
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| Most unit commanders have a policy letter stating that they can do inspections whenever, wherever, at random. They do not have to be announced. If your barracks have CQ, check the CQ book. If not, the policy letter is probably posted at the Company. I don't know if they can charge you for adultery, but I am willing to bet someone's spouse is going to be pissed regardless! |
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How far does it go?I've been around in the Army a day or two now and I've seen health & welfares to include search of POV's (Personal Owned Vehicles). This includes searches with MWD's (Military Working Dogs). Personally, I don't see the problem walking a dog along the outside of a closed door. I don't see the problem with any drugs being found used for a urine analysis then possible further UCMJ action is a positive is found. Commandes are responsible to ensure Soldiers are maintaining a safe vehicle and safe living enviroment even off post. I don't expect my commander to neccesarily to come over and check my home but I do expect someone in my chain of command to know where I live and how I'm living (i.e. clean enviroment, no off-limits areas, etc). Same thought line applies to my vehicle (i.e. no bald tires, no signs of drinking and driving, etc). I guess my big question is then, does a commander have the right to search POV's? What about telling Soldiers to park in a common area and then having the dogs sweep the outside of the vehicles? |
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| Poster, you have posted to a very old post. Please start a new post/thread, and include the name of your State; if not, let me know, and I will help you out! |
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