Husband got 2 dates for captains mast.

[NMarcum430]

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Hello...i previously wrote what could happen with my husband going UA from subschool for a few days...Well we found out today that he has 2 dates for captains mast. One for going UA and one because I guess he missed watch one of those days. Ive heard some people saying he was getting discharged because we are in a time of war. I'm clueless when it comes to military law. Thanks again.

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Originally Posted by NMarcum430

What is the name of your state? OH


Hello...i previously wrote what could happen with my husband going UA from subschool for a few days...Well we found out today that he has 2 dates for captains mast. One for going UA and one because I guess he missed watch one of those days. Ive heard some people saying he was getting discharged because we are in a time of war. I'm clueless when it comes to military law. Thanks again.

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[cyberspook]

Originally Posted by NMarcum430

What is the name of your state? OH


Hello...i previously wrote what could happen with my husband going UA from subschool for a few days...Well we found out today that he has 2 dates for captains mast. One for going UA and one because I guess he missed watch one of those days. Ive heard some people saying he was getting discharged because we are in a time of war. I'm clueless when it comes to military law. Thanks again.

I doubt they will discharge him if he truly wants to stay in. I could be wrong, but in my expierience I have found that the military would rather keep there investment than see it be scattered to the wind over something something like this.

Good luck.

[badapple40]

If he's being masted and not CM'd, they won't discharge him.

[Sparq]

You can expect him to come out of this as an E-1 with time in restriction and loss of pay.

The CO can remove people from service without a court martial, for things like two alcohol related incidents.

[Fl_renter]

Originally Posted by Sparq

You can expect him to come out of this as an E-1 with time in restriction and loss of pay.

and more than likely EMI. I think that's getting off light considering he missed a duty day which someone else would have had to cover.

[Sparq]

EMI is a lower level of punishment, that is given by an E-7 or above. Extra duty will cover any EMI he has.

The weird thing about the Navy is and always will be... There are two steps before going to Mast (art 15).


DRB and XOI both are no fun, they kind of get the yelling out of the way before the mast.

[NMarcum430]

My husband is only an E3 so I guess he can't get an EMI. Hey Sparg what do you mean there are 2 steps before going to Mast? As far as messing up goes he did this at the worst time. It was a week before we moved on his pcs orders. So now we have no idea what we is going on. Thanks again.

[Fl_renter]

Don't know where you got the info that E3 can't get EMI because they sure can!

Former shipmate of my hub had restriction for 30days and a seperate 30 days of EMI. Guess it wasn't feasible to give him 60day restriction for whatever reason?

[Sparq]

Well what I meant is before someone goes to mast the process will go something like this.

1. Someone does something bad.
2. Someone else let us say their boss is upset about it, they will write them up in the form of a statement of action or written counseling.
3. If the person has a record of causing trouble or the offence is severe, you will be sent to DRB (discipline review board). In the Navy there is this higher tier of Enlisted called Chiefs, it is E-7 to E-9. They will sit this board and yell at the person who committed the offence. They will take the offender into a room filled with Chiefs and make them stand at attention while they find out what happened. The goal is to make them feel horrid, there is quite a bit of yelling that goes on in a DRB. The real goal is to find the truth and see if they want to recommend the offender to XOI.
4. XOI (executive officer inquire) is kind of like a pre-mast, the offender will be in their dress uniform, and there might or might not be some yelling. This step is more formal then the mast, but still behind closed doors.
5. Captain's Mast (article 15) this is very different from every other service. There is a opened and closed mast. With an open mast they will bring in your fellow service members to see you get punished. This goes back to the days of old when a Mast was held the normal punishment was flogging in front of the crew (makes me think about stealing rum). The proceeding is very formal there is hardly ever yelling, the CO (Commanding officer) will call the offender in, and he or she will be escorted by a Master At Arms. They then will report to the CO and he or she will be read the charges. They have the option to wave the informal punishment of a Mast and go to a court martial, bad idea unless you really did nothing wrong. The CO will ask if the offender had a chance to go over all of the evidence and statements, then will ask if they would like to offer anything that would "lessen the severity of the matter"(if I was this person I would apologize to the CO and the Command). Then the CO will either find the guilty or innocent, but remember they have already been to DRB and XOI. So it will be guilty.
The person will then be awarded a punishment (some award). When it is awarded it is stated something like this, "I impose the following punishment, 30 days restriction, 30 days extra duty, and half months pay times two.". The person will service the restriction and extra duty during the same 30 days.


Anyways what I was saying about EMI, it can only be given by a E-7 or above, any Enlisted sailor can receive it depending on what they did.

[sara0420]

Im still in training school as well and know alot of submariners that have crossed rated to here. I very highly doubt he will get discharged especially if he was only U/A for a couple of days. If he had be gone past 30 days he would be a deserter and would likely get discharged dishonorably. What will probably happen is he will masted, put on restriction for like 45, and extra duty or EMI for another 45. Also we are in "a time of war" but not a declared time of war so some of those rules don't apply. They see it as they have already spent to much time and money on your husband to kick him out for something that could be handled very simply.