I think ex-hubby is committing BAH Fraud

[amazonwarrior]

What is the name of your state? Oklahoma

My ex-husband is in the U.S. Army. We were divorced 3 months ago. I found out that he is still collecting the married rate BAH. He never submitted the divorce decree to finance, but he did manange to submit it to DEERS last month to get me kicked out of the system.

I have reported him to IG at his post in GA. I hate to think that he is so stupid that he thinks he could pull this off. He knows that I always find out everything. Could there be a rational explaination for why the divorce decree made it to DEERS, but not to finance?

If he is intentionally defrauding the government, what are the consequences? He is deploying very soon, so I wonder how quickly the military will begin to investigate.

[cyberspook]

Originally Posted by amazonwarrior

What is the name of your state? Oklahoma

My ex-husband is in the U.S. Army. We were divorced 3 months ago. I found out that he is still collecting the married rate BAH. He never submitted the divorce decree to finance, but he did manange to submit it to DEERS last month to get me kicked out of the system.

I have reported him to IG at his post in GA. I hate to think that he is so stupid that he thinks he could pull this off. He knows that I always find out everything. Could there be a rational explaination for why the divorce decree made it to DEERS, but not to finance?

If he is intentionally defrauding the government, what are the consequences? He is deploying very soon, so I wonder how quickly the military will begin to investigate.

I know I am a fool for asking this but...

[amazonwarrior]

Go ahead. Be a fool and ask. Just kidding. Please ask.

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Originally Posted by amazonwarrior

What is the name of your state? Oklahoma

My ex-husband is in the U.S. Army. We were divorced 3 months ago. I found out that he is still collecting the married rate BAH. He never submitted the divorce decree to finance, but he did manange to submit it to DEERS last month to get me kicked out of the system.

I have reported him to IG at his post in GA. I hate to think that he is so stupid that he thinks he could pull this off. He knows that I always find out everything. Could there be a rational explaination for why the divorce decree made it to DEERS, but not to finance?

If he is intentionally defrauding the government, what are the consequences? He is deploying very soon, so I wonder how quickly the military will begin to investigate.

Just takes a little more time for it to reach Finance! You posted "if he is
intentionally....." with emphasis on [if]! About the consequences [if]
he is 'defrauding [Uncle Sam];' wide and far reaching!

[DRTDEVL]

Here's the answer:

DEERS is a one-stop fix. Take the divorce decree, wait for your number to be called, give it to them. It is entered into the system immediately, and you leave knowing it was done.

Finance is a different story. He has to turn in the divorce decree to the housing office, and they terminate his housing immediately. He can then turn the decree into his unit's orderly room. This is where the problem starts... It sits there with the rest of the finance paperwork, gets reviewed, then signed by the Commander. It then travels to Battalion S-1, sits, gets reviewed by the Adjutant, then signed again. It will then travel to the Brigade HQ (or DISCOM, depending on the type of unit), sit there, get reviewed, then signed again.

After all these steps, it is then sent to finance, sits around, and someone finally enters it into the system.

This process can take anywhere from 1 to 12 weeks to be completed. During this time, he is paid BAH... But he gets a NEGATIVE amount of BAH when it is entered into the system by DFAS.

So, 1-2 months to get the final signed decree. A matter of days to get the DEERS disenrollment finalized. And 1-3 months to complete finance.

You have another 8 weeks to wait before complaining... And then get the last laugh when his LES says $0 for a couple months while DFAS recoups the BAH overpayment.

[amazonwarrior]

Okay, well thanks to all for your help.

My ex did tell me that he was still drawing the married BAH because he turned it in to division, somehow that was supposed to be a problem, which of course I don't understand since the entire 2 and half years we were married he was in Germany partying his A!@ off, sleeping around, and spending all of the BAH the first five months we were married, while I was in the U.S. per his request. Since I had never lived with him during our marriage, I don't have a clue how the military works in some respects.

The only thing I learned about the military was how to find out the name and phone number of his CO in Germany to verify ex-hubby's claim that his team leader wouldn't let him go to finance with my bank account number....hehehe.

Well, I learned how to contact the clinic over there too to verify his other claim that soldiers are tested for hiv/stds every 6 months.

Hell, let's face it. I made a lot of calls over there to verify a lot of things. Since I'm now divorced, I think you can figure out that nothing could ever be verified.

BTW, How many finance offices are there on one post anyway? One for each division?

[DRTDEVL]

One finance office... And they serve ALL Soldiers on the post.

You can imagine they get pretty backed up...

[amazonwarrior]

Well, okay. So are you saying that the divorce decree is laying a huge pile with other decrees, and it will take months for it to be entered into the system. According to the person I talked to at finance, she was certain that it the ex never turned it in.

[cyberspook]

Originally Posted by amazonwarrior

Well, okay. So are you saying that the divorce decree is laying a huge pile with other decrees, and it will take months for it to be entered into the system. According to the person I talked to at finance, she was certain that it the ex never turned it in.

It is going to catch up to him sooner or later and when it does they will take back the "extra" pay leaving him with a Leave and Earning Statement (LES) of zero dollars and no paycheck. So let him enjoy his interest free loan for now and spend it partying with his bimbos. As DRTDVL said you will get the last laugh when they take it all back (and they WILL) from him.

[DRTDEVL]

Originally Posted by amazonwarrior

Well, okay. So are you saying that the divorce decree is laying a huge pile with other decrees, and it will take months for it to be entered into the system. According to the person I talked to at finance, she was certain that it the ex never turned it in.

No, I am saying that there are many steps along the way to get the decree to finance, not just showing up and dropping it off (like DEERS).

It is most likely somewhere along the way.

If he didn't turn it in, he will have several month's overpayment. When this happens (and the service member caused it himself), DFAS goes for lump sum reimbursement.

If his BAH is $500/mo, and he is found out after 6 months, he now has a $3000 bill to be pulled immediately... How many $0 paychecks will that be? Lots, because this is now taxable income, so he gets tax withheld, allotments paid, and the remainder towards the debt until paid.

If it is found to not be his fault, he can have it prorated over a period up to 12 months.

[Shaye]

Nothing offensive intended here, BUT, WHY DO YOU CARE???? Go on with your own life, and let him suffer thru his.

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Originally Posted by Shaye

Nothing offensive intended here, BUT, WHY DO YOU CARE???? Go on with your own life, and let him suffer thru his.

First, the Forum is FreeAdvice; second, why do you question this, when
in fact, you have asked questions in your own posts on other FreeAdvice
threads.

[Shaye]

you are right. I shouldn't have assumed this lady is just trying to " twist the knife". And even if she is, it is her right. I apologize.

[cyberspook]

Originally Posted by cyberspook

I know I am a fool for asking this but...

Don't feel bad. I had to bite my tongue.

[IrishGoat]

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