No contact order

[joko_d]

What is the name of your state? moWhat is the name of your state? MO
While on leave in another country visiting my spouse. I caught her in my bf dorm room, so I call the military police. I was issued a Verbal NO CONTACT ORDER from my 1st Shirt by one of the MP's. He stated that while in the country, I'm not to contact my spouse in person or by phone, and not to go to her job. The other guy was also issued an No contact order. So when I returned to U.S. soil I called her to let her know I was home back in the U.S.. because after the No Contact Order she called me numerous times. That was the only time I called her, she has called me on a few occasion, only to argue. We have been married for 3 months. She also has called and sent emails to my CO and 1st Shirt about our relationship prior our marriage. My divorce was 1 Aug 05, I was legally separated 1 Apr 04. I was read my rights Friday for Article 92 and Article 134. I have 20+ years in the milltary. Am I in violation of this order, when I wasn't given clear guidance on it? The article 134 is for I found a picture of the guy she was with from the internet and a picture I took of them together eating lunch. I made a flyer and gave it to my spouse landlord with a message If you see this guy with my spouse to call the MPs. I guess it's for bringing discredit upon the armed forces for making that 1 flyer. My spouse said I made many, but I only made 1, which the landlord didnot post anywhere she just acknowledge it. I choose to not give a statement, but to request a lawyer. Am I looking at a court martial. My miliary career has been outstanding. with the exception of a article 15 a few years ago for foreclose home my ex-spouse and I had.

[LAWYER-002]

Originally Posted by joko_d

What is the name of your state? moWhat is the name of your state? MO
While on leave in another country visiting my spouse. I caught her in my bf dorm room, so I call the military police. I was issued a Verbal NO CONTACT ORDER from my 1st Shirt by one of the MP's. He stated that while in the country, I'm not to contact my spouse in person or by phone, and not to go to her job. The other guy was also issued an No contact order. So when I returned to U.S. soil I called her to let her know I was home back in the U.S.. because after the No Contact Order she called me numerous times. That was the only time I called her, she has called me on a few occasion, only to argue. We have been married for 3 months. She also has called and sent emails to my CO and 1st Shirt about our relationship prior our marriage. My divorce was 1 Aug 05, I was legally separated 1 Apr 04. I was read my rights Friday for Article 92 and Article 134. I have 20+ years in the milltary. Am I in violation of this order, when I wasn't given clear guidance on it? The article 134 is for I found a picture of the guy she was with from the internet and a picture I took of them together eating lunch. I made a flyer and gave it to my spouse landlord with a message If you see this guy with my spouse to call the MPs. I guess it's for bringing discredit upon the armed forces for making that 1 flyer. My spouse said I made many, but I only made 1, which the landlord didnot post anywhere she just acknowledge it. I choose to not give a statement, but to request a lawyer. Am I looking at a court martial. My miliary career has been outstanding. with the exception of a article 15 a few years ago for foreclose home my ex-spouse and I had.

My response:

Grow some balls, okay? Find somebody else, and shut the hell up.

By the way, regarding that foreclosure, was that a trailer?

IAAL

[badapple40]

There are a lot of things that are not clear to me.

1. At the time you visited her, you were legally married to her, correct? Are you still legally married to her? Did you, at any time, hit, strike, threaten to hit or strike, or otherwise physically harm her or threaten to do so? Did you, at any time, hit, strike, threaten to hit or strike, or otherwise physically harm him or threaten to do so?

2. The legal separation/divorce is with respect to a prior marriage I take it, correct?

3. Who issued the no contact order? Where was it issued? What did the no contact order state? How long did it last? Did they give you a hearing on the order? Was it on a DD Form 2873? How long did the order last? Were you TDY to the base in question, or visiting on leave?

4. What rank are you? What rank is the person(s) who issued the order?

5. At the time you took the picture, was this before or after he was issued a no contact order? Was his no contact order with him? Was she issued a no contact order also?

I think there are a lot of issues surrounding this, not the least of which is the fact that the order may have been illegal (especially when you are looking at the issue of ordering one spouse not to contact the other, especially with no violence or threatened violence if that is the case), could have been ambiguous and thus hard to follow.

Furthermore, you claim that the order was only while you were in the country you were not to contact her, and you didn't (according to you) -- you were back in the U.S. when you contacted her.

Not giving a statement is a really good idea. In fact, your shutting your mouth gives your lawyer a lot of tools to work with.

We should chat. Shoot me a private message with a phone number.

[SHORTY LONG]

13 JUNE 06

LAWYER-002 aka IAAL: if in fact you are a real Lawyer, then act as you are in upholding the creed you took. Here, we try and help all who seeks such; and give all the help and support to our troops! Your snippets, and sarcasm is that of a ****; change your ways and help, or the door you entered here, is always open for you to exit permanently. SHORTY OUT!

Originally Posted by LAWYER-002

My response:

Grow some balls, okay? Find somebody else, and shut the hell up.

By the way, regarding that foreclosure, was that a trailer?

IAAL

[LAWYER-002]

Originally Posted by SHORTY LONG

13 JUNE 06

LAWYER-002 aka IAAL: if in fact you are a real Lawyer, then act as you are in upholding the creed you took. Here, we try and help all who seeks such; and give all the help and support to our troops! Your snippets, and sarcasm is that of a ****; change your ways and help, or the door you entered here, is always open for you to exit permanently. SHORTY OUT!

My response:

Do you actually believe that what you have to say means anything to me?

IAAL

[joko_d]

There are a lot of things that are not clear to me.

1. At the time you visited her, you were legally married to her, correct? Yes Are you still legally married to her? Yes Did you, at any time, hit, strike, threaten to hit or strike, or otherwise physically harm her or threaten to do so? NoDid you, at any time, hit, strike, threaten to hit or strike, or otherwise physically harm him or threaten to do so? No
2. The legal separation/divorce is with respect to a prior marriage I take it, correct? Yes
3. Who issued the no contact order? First Sergeant gave verbal to Military Police to tell me Where was it issued? On base Korea What did the no contact order state? No contact to him or her while I'm in Korea, in person or phone How long did it last? My understanding while I was in Korea, Didn't Say Did they give you a hearing on the order? Was it on a DD Form 2873? No How long did the order last? The order he gave me last week until the divorce or if we get back together. Were you TDY to the base in question, or visiting on leave? Visiting on leave

4. What rank are you? (E-6) What rank is the person(s) who issued the order? (E-8)

5. At the time you took the picture, was this before or after he was issued a no contact order? Before Was his no contact order with him? Yes, and her Was she issued a no contact order also? YES, but she is a dependent.

I think there are a lot of issues surrounding this, not the least of which is the fact that the order may have been illegal (especially when you are looking at the issue of ordering one spouse not to contact the other, especially with no violence or threatened violence if that is the case), could have been ambiguous and thus hard to follow.

Furthermore, you claim that the order was only while you were in the country you were not to contact her, and you didn't (according to you) -- you were back in the U.S. when you contacted her.

Not giving a statement is a really good idea. In fact, your shutting your mouth gives your lawyer a lot of tools to work with.

We should chat. Shoot me a private message with a phone number.