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Old 10-02-2007, 08:58 AM
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please some one help us

What is the name of your state? kentucky

my friend was caught switch discount tag at PX on post. it was $90 dollors worth.and now he is looking at theft by deception. she is so cared right now. we went to JAG but right they don't have any info for us as far as what is going to happen. we just know that this case will be handled by civilian at kentucky. i know what she did is wrong but she has always been good and never got in any kind of trouble. so can any one please give us some advice. we want know at civilian side what is she looking at and the military side also. and her 1sg was mentioned something about UCMJ is that means she is going to go to court marshal? is she gong to jail? she is just frighted now. so please some one help us. we will appreciate all the advice from anyone and we will always pray for you.
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Old 10-02-2007, 09:10 AM
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She should be scared! So I understand your post, she was caught switching price tag in a PX on an Army Base? If so,
how did the Civilian Police get involved? What will happen depends on many factors, and it is good she has JAG for counsel.
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:27 PM
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yes it happen on post, the military police arrested her. but she is going to a civilian court. you say it depends on so many factors can you tell me what are they? and is military and civilian side gonna charge her for the same thing and same time?
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Old 10-02-2007, 04:37 PM
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yes it happen on post, the military police arrested her. but she is going to a civilian court. you say it depends on so many factors can you tell me what are they? and is military and civilian side gonna charge her for the same thing and same time?
From you original post, you state she is in the Army correct? I do not know nor
understand why the Civilian Police are involved? I can call the Base and find out
why. As far as you wanting more answers to the many factors; until I find as
to why the Civilian Police are involved, it is way premature to address these
factors. Is Fort Knox where this occurred at?
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Old 10-02-2007, 06:10 PM
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Apparently the Army has leased the PX out to Civilians. So, she will be facing
Civilian Charge[s] and it is up to her CO whither or not he or she will bring
charges against her under the UCMJ.

Some factors: Her length of time served to date; has she been deployed out
of the US; has she any negative infractions to date.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:24 AM
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it happened at fort campbell. she is going to the Magistrate court on post. she has always been good never had any issue not even a bad counseling. the hole chain of command was supprised that she did stupid thing like that. honestly she only been in the us for 4 years. she really wasn't trying to steal anything. she know it is wrong when she did it but she don't know it is just as bad as stealing things out of store even she paid it. she is willing to take whatever punishments comes down but i really think she is a good solider and she deserve a fair punishment and a second chance. so can you give us some tips as far as preparing for the court and the charges from the chain of the command? is there any civilian military attorney close to post we can talk to?

we appreciate for your advice and we will pray for you forever.
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Old 10-03-2007, 01:40 AM
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The Court will impose a civil penalty on her.

Her commander will prosecute via NJP... Loss of rank, loss of pay, and 14 days extra duty.



She knows better... Privates make more than enough money these days (actually twice the bas pay when I was a private 13 years ago).
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that's like saying robbing a doughnut shop is entrapment.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:53 AM
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if her command give her a NJP isn't it double judged her? and what if she is a sgt? will they charge her much more serious?
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Old 10-03-2007, 08:27 AM
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It is NOT double jeopardy.

One is for a civil penalty (fines, fees, trespass warning, etc). One is for punishment.

Yes, an E-5 will be handled more severely than an E-4. Plan for a Field Grade Article 15... Lose more rank (2 vs. 1), lose more pay (1/2 month for 2 months, rather than one month), and do more extra duty (45 days, rather than 14).



How anyone can think they will get away with anything at the PX is beyond me... They have one of the most sophisticated loss prevention systems in the world.

AAFES. Catching fools in the act since 1895.
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that's like saying robbing a doughnut shop is entrapment.
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Old 10-03-2007, 08:56 AM
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so if she got a field grade will they chapter her out?
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Old 10-03-2007, 09:59 AM
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No. She will be retained (provided there is nothing else to add, like more charges).
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that's like saying robbing a doughnut shop is entrapment.
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Old 10-04-2007, 06:59 AM
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thank you very much for all your advice she know she is wrong and i know she will never do it again. we appreciate all your help and well will pray for you forever.
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