Reclassification

[MOS NON Q]

[FONT=]undefined[/font]What is the name of your state? California

Hello. I would like to know the governing authority regarding reclassification in an MOS (Military Occupational Specialty). Specifically, can the military arbitrarily take you out of an MOS (see above) in which you were trained and for which you signed up, and reclassify you as something else involuntarily. If so, what regulation states so? Thanx.

[fozzy2]

You are probably looking for AR 611-203 Section VI "Reclassification in MOS", which begins at paragraph 25.

If the Army has done it to you, it is probably allowed. There are all sorts of grounds for rescinding/changing an MOS.

[Shay-Pari'e]

To tell you the truth, you can be reclassified at any given moment in your career. Did you wash out of your career feild during training?

[MOS NON Q]

To: fozzy2

Thank you very much for the regulation; I will definitely look into it. However I need a more concrete answer than "It is probably allowed." I mean you absolutely no disrepect in this. I recall being told years ago that I was supposed to sign an extension form to perform a two-year tour of duty. Actually, that I HAD to sign it. When I said that I wasn't signing anything until I saw the regulation they found out they were wrong.

To: Paradise

No, I did not wash out during training. First MOS was 74F (Software anylyst) back in '91 with the reserves. It has since merged with 74D to become 74B. At last I heard thse MOS's were converting to the 25 series. In any case, it is my secondary MOS. Reclassed as 25V (still photography and videography) in 1996 for active duty. Both MOS's are Signal Corp. Got out of Active Duty and segue'd into the guard in 2000. Still kept the MOS. Have discovered I have been battle rostered as a carpenter, masoner. This is a corp of engineers MOS and unit. I have neither training nor interest in that field. To be honest, I'm one of those kind of guys that's a disaster with tools. (Ever seen Home Improvement?) Set up a network, or a studio, step back and watch my smoke; but a carpenter? Anyway, I have no problem with being deployed, however what about what I was trained in? If I see a voluntary change form, guess what's not being signed.

[MOS NON Q]

To: Fozzy2

Well, upon a brief overview of the publication, I see nothing that pertains to me. In fact, just on the surface, it doesn't look like they can reclassify me. I will definately look into this more. One concern I have is that the publication was written in 1961, so I will have to search if any ammendments have been made. Then again, with the Patriot Act in effect, it might just be an exercise in futility. In any case, thanx for pointing out the direction. At least it's a start.

[fozzy2]

The first address has an e-mail POC

[url]https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/Active/enlist/GUIDE/bear.htm[/url]


This second site has the regulations that might pertain more to your situation:

[url]http://www.dmva.state.pa.us/paarng/lib/paarng/ar_614-200.pdf[/url]


I wonder what it is about the Army. In the Navy we rarely had problems with the NEC system, and there were a lot of sailors that didn't even know their NEC! It seems there are constant complaints about the Army assigning MOS with a dartboard, reclassifying willy nilly, etc. etc.

[DRTDEVL]

NOT the Army... The National Guard.

See... The problem here is that he was voluntarily assigned to an engineer unit without reclass training attached. Any soldier knows this is a recipe for disaster. He is non-slotted for the Guard unit, and it is their responsibility to have him trained in THEIR mission.

You can decline the reclass, but you will most likely be discharged for refusal to train. You need to find another unit with that MOS (not likely in the gurad, reserves, perhaps?), and get a conditional release to their unit. You can then retain your MOS, and keep serving. Or, go back to Active Duty... You will keep your MOS then.

[MOS NON Q]

To fozzy2:

Ahoy there, shipmate!!! Heh! I trained at the Defense Photography School on NAS Pensacola and made a lot of squid friends. (By the by, if you think the term is derrogatory, I apologize. We joked like that with one another all the time) Ahh, Pensacola, the Redneck Riviera they called it. Wish I coulda stayed longer than the year I was there. But I digress. The first article I already had and the second link you provided did give additional helpful information, so I thank you for taking the time.

To DRTDEVL:

Actually, you are a bit off. I am BATTLE ROSTERED with an engineer unit which is an MTO unit. The unit I am actually a part of is a Training Center unit, a TDA unit. From what I have heard there will be reclass training prior to deployment. I received some info that a soldier cannot be forced to make that drastic a career change. (signal to engineer in my case) So far it has happened because no one has said no. I know of one poor girl, (excuse me, soldier) who worked for me and is a 71L (Admin clerk) and has been reclassed as an 88M (truck driver.) Now she has had her license less than a year and has already had a major accident. Totaled a brand new vehicle. Would you put her behind the wheel of a 2 ton? You are absolutely right; DISASTER!!!! Now in my case, I'm just a name on a list for now, I haven't even received official word as of yet. Probably just in for filler, who knows? I guess I'll just wait for the official word, go to SRP, if there actually is one, and read each form carefully like I always do. If someone says I GOTTA sign, I'll just ask for the reg. (GOTTA? The only two things I GOTTA do on this planet are pay taxes and die. And not neccessarily in that order.) Refusal of an order is one thing, refusal to volunteer is something else entirely. In any case thanx for your time.

[fozzy2]

Originally Posted by MOS NON Q

To fozzy2:

Ahoy there, shipmate!!! Heh! I trained at the Defense Photography School on NAS Pensacola and made a lot of squid friends. (By the by, if you think the term is derrogatory, I apologize. We joked like that with one another all the time) Ahh, Pensacola, the Redneck Riviera they called it. Wish I coulda stayed longer than the year I was there.

Southern Alabama, which some people mistakenly call the Florida Panhandle, wasn't too bad a spot. We had mud puppies over at NTTC Corry as well. If I told you what they did I'd have to kill you, because they don't want anyone to know they were doing nothing at all! Sipping cokes in an air conditioned computer lab beats changing tracks on an MSQ-103 any day.... they used to have to drag the army folks out of our project kicking and screaming. I recall one SFC lamenting "Ft. Polk? That's the REAL army. They do like PT and stuff there...." :-)

[Davidzill]

Wow thats interesting; them trying to reclassify you as a totally different MOS. I put up a post not too long ago about having my contract breached by the National Guard failing to honor my contract by trying to make me be MOS's not stated on my contract. I told my command this was breach of contract and let them know I would be calling the inspector general if this wasn't solved expeditiously, and that if he couldn't fix it I would go on a campaign calling senators and congressmen. They said"we'll have this straightened out immediately!" When I called back in 2 hours I was told not too worry about a thing. You got to be vocal about having your very limited rights violated, know the regulations. If you know you are being screwed, you have 30 days to put your paper work in and you can actually receive an administrative seperation if they are breaching your contract. Don't be affraid to call the right people. They are really in need of carpenters in places like Fallujah where 80% of the structures were destroyed in the second battle.