Separation Help!!!

What is the name of your state? Illinois

Ok, my brother enlisted into the Army NG.. left for basic at the end of Jan07, had a family emergency the red cross was contacted and they sent him home in the middle of Febuary,(grandfather passed away)..while home he became extreemly depressed after the death, an with are second grandfather being hospitalized he became a little worse, we contacted his company and they gave him an extra week but also said he would have to start basic all over again, when he heard that he pretty much made it clear he did not want to go back, threw are family doctor he was put on anti-depression medication, well he did not return when he was supose to, they marked him AWOL, but we still keep in contact with his unit and let them know what is going on (he was marked awol about 2 months ago) recently this passed week we were informed are father has about 3 weeks left to live, are family is falling apart and he does not want to go back, nor does are family, we need him here an we know he cant go back to the lifestyle of basic training, so at this point we will pretty much do whatever it takes to get him out, some said shoot for a hardship discharge wich is kinda hard to get, medical discharge due to the depression, but thats more then likely not going to happen, and a sergeant I spoke with actually said his best bet is wait till he is droped from his rolls and is in deserter status an then term himself in to ft.Sill,Ok. an he will be out processed in about 4 or 5 days..the kid is ill..he never leaves his room , dosnt talk anymore, and I just dont see what the military would even want with him at this point, some other things I have been told, when he enlisted he had NO High School diploma, or a GED, the recuriter told him he didnt need ether and that he would take care of it, is there any way possible he can get a fraudulent enlistment seperation..or a entry level seperation??

thank your for your time and reading this and your help, please any advice will do,

if your going to tell me my brother is going to put in prison for 20 years or get the death sentance, or he is a coward an all that blah, please keep it to yourself, are family is falling apart and we really need help with this...he was only in basics for 3 weeks so dont tell him to soldier up an go back..hes no soldier..What is the name of your state?

[johnysmith1128]

I dont know for sure, but its very probable that applying for a hardship is a waste of time, especially when the people reviewing them are all *******s. If it was me I would wait till he is dropped from the rolls and then turn himself in to fort sill, oklahoma. anything is possible and the army can make an example out of someone if they want, but most likely he will be discharged within a week with " an other than honorable" or OTH. That is not guaranteed, but most likely. If they made an example out of him, at most probaly 30 days in jail, bad conduct discharge or BCD, but odds are slim. To find out if he is dropped from the rolls, call the deserter hotline, I dont have the number but search the site, its on here or check the internet. The number is out of fort knox.

[Shay-Pari'e]

There is way more going on here, and you know it.

With the facts that you provided, he should easily get a Hardship discharge, and with the given so called *Facts*, he should have no problem getting one.

[fozzy2]

Typically, if a person leaves the service before doing 180 days on active duty, they will get an "Entry Level Separation" instead of a "Discharge".

I don't know why you say a medical separation "most likely won't happen." If he is depressed, has been prescribed medication for it, etc. then it certainly sounds like he may have serious issues. The military isn't just going to take it on your word in a letter, however. If he needs medical help (and based on your description it sounds as if he might) then you can take him to the local VA. That way he can get treatment, get a diagnosis from a government doctor, etc.

A harship discharge may be more difficult, the key question it not whether he wants one, or whether the family wants him to have one. Rather, it largely depends on if other people will be depending on him for sustenance, etc. or if he has legal responsibilities. It doesn't sound as if he could support anyone at this point, so the military may wonder where the hardship is. (hardship discharges are given largely to help other people, not the servicemember)

[cyberspook]

Originally Posted by Shay-Pari'e

There is way more going on here, and you know it.

With the facts that you provided, he should easily get a Hardship discharge, and with the given so called *Facts*, he should have no problem getting one.

Once again Shay-Pari'e runs her pie hole without giving an ounce of legal advice. Women and emotions so on and so forth...

Shay-Pari'e,

listen, there is nothing more going on, he was in basic training for 3 weeks, Red Cross got him home do to a death in the family, an now are second grandfather and father have no more then a month to live, he loved the military while he was there loved his battle buddies and still misses it alot, but he knows and we know that he cannot go back to somthing like that at this time. it was the Dr's choice to get him on med's not his..he didnt even want to take it when he first got it. and Shay-Pari'e..you talk like you do your homework...his company commander told me himself that a hardship discharge almost never gets granted even in a case like this..seriously dont over analyze things so much and have a little respect.

P.S. the Death and current deaths in my family are all smoking related..so for all you smokers out there think how fast it can take a family apart....speaking of that... Im ganna go enjoy a smokie treat right now

If anyone else has any information on what could happen or what we should do please help, it would mean alot to my brother and I and the entire family. we await your feedback and thanks to all that already have

[SHORTY LONG]

Originally Posted by gone4tolong

Shay-Pari'e,

listen, there is nothing more going on, he was in basic training for 3 weeks, Red Cross got him home do to a death in the family, an now are second grandfather and father have no more then a month to live, he loved the military while he was there loved his battle buddies and still misses it alot, but he knows and we know that he cannot go back to somthing like that at this time. it was the Dr's choice to get him on med's not his..he didnt even want to take it when he first got it. and Shay-Pari'e..you talk like you do your homework...his company commander told me himself that a hardship discharge almost never gets granted even in a case like this..seriously dont over analyze things so much and have a little respect.

P.S. the Death and current deaths in my family are all smoking related..so for all you smokers out there think how fast it can take a family apart....speaking of that... Im ganna go enjoy a smokie treat right now

If anyone else has any information on what could happen or what we should do please help, it would mean alot to my brother and I and the entire family. we await your feedback and thanks to all that already have

He can still at least try for the Hardship discharge; never know until he tries!
And personally I am very surprised that a "CO" would dicuss anything with you.

[acmb05]

Originally Posted by gone4tolong

Shay-Pari'e,

listen, there is nothing more going on, he was in basic training for 3 weeks, Red Cross got him home do to a death in the family, an now are second grandfather and father have no more then a month to live,

Ok but this happened two months after he was listed as AWOL so that is not going to help him in any way.

Originally Posted by gone4tolong

he loved the military while he was there loved his battle buddies and still misses it alot, but he knows and we know that he cannot go back to somthing like that at this time.

Maybe not , however he should have gone back 2 months ago or more. By this time he would be done with basic and it would not be a problem.

Originally Posted by gone4tolong

it was the Dr's choice to get him on med's not his..he didnt even want to take it when he first got it.

Then he should not have taken them. There is no law that says just because a doctor prescribes drugs you have to take them.

Originally Posted by gone4tolong

P.S. the Death and current deaths in my family are all smoking related..so for all you smokers out there think how fast it can take a family apart....speaking of that... Im ganna go enjoy a smokie treat right now

good for you, what a great roll model you are.

Originally Posted by gone4tolong

If anyone else has any information on what could happen or what we should do please help, it would mean alot to my brother and I and the entire family. we await your feedback and thanks to all that already have

What could happen is he could be court martialed and discharged from the service with a dishonorable discharge ( my preference). As it is he has been AWOL for 2 months and now you want the Army to do him a favor by not prosecuting him. The military is taking a hard stance on AWOL's right now so brother needs to turn himself in and accept the consequences.

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Absolutely I concur 100% with acmb05.