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bobr

Junior Member
What is the name of your state? PA

- Concrete plant was opened in 1976 with a small fleet.
- Houses in our neighborhood were built as early as 1850-1900
- Concrete plant is now a very large regional player (I'm telling you this, because whatever grandfathered laws that may exist [in our township, the law is simply that 'unreasonable levels of noise are not tolerated/permitted'] have been outgrown since the plant is now 10 times it's original size when the law was drafted)
- Concrete plant regularly works 24 hours per day
- We commissioned professional sound readings - concrete plant sustains 70+ dB's at all times of day and night. Plant spikes to over 100 dB's throughout day and night.
- Neighborhood wrote 10 page paper citing EPA guidelines, Noise Pollution Clearinghouse information, township open space and beautification articles.
- In the paper, we listed a chart showing dB levels heard in our neighborhood at different times per day.
- In the paper, we proposed two solutions: hours of operations restrictions, installation of a sound wall (similar to those seen along highways).
- Side note: Sound walls are made of concrete... the plant manufactures concrete.
- The state police has received regular complaints from multiple neighbors over the years, but is "helpless to do anything, it's a township issue".
- Township is not responsive ("We're making progress... two more weeks and we'll call you back with an update" that started over a year ago).

I understand the concept of "coming to a nuisance" (e.g. moving next to a cow farm and complaining about smell of manure isn't reasonable etc.). But from my understanding, there are reasonable/expected levels of nuisance, and unreasonable levels. Given that the windows of our houses literally shake at 4 a.m. when the plant is operating, and given the dB levels that we've professionally recorded, the noise level and hours of operation are unreasonable.

Questions:
- Have you seen this issue before (different than a noisy neighbor.. this is a big tax base/employer)
- Is our township powerless as they seem to be? or just inept?
- If inept, any recourse we can take?
- Any other general advice or things our group should look into?
 


xylene

Senior Member
Your groups best option would be to hire a lawyer.

You should also consider the possibilty of a settlement involving abatement in the homes as well as the sound wall, like is done around airports and flight paths.

Things like triple glazed windows, extra insulation, plantings and AC.

Another thing to consider is the concrete plant agrees to buy the nearby homes to create a buffer area.
 

bobr

Junior Member
Oh, I forgot, we also separately asked the township to consider us in their green space plan - the thought being that funds are already allocated for planting trees to beautify this area, so using some of those plantings for the dual purpose of deadening a little bit of sound (although, scientifically, the dB reduction is very small... asthetically, it is nice). No dice on that one.

When you say hire a lawyer, I get worried. The township was in a 5 year litigation against the same plant for a building code violation. The concrete plant is part of a huge organization (Hanes & Kibbelhouse.. spelling? not sure) and have the resources to repeatedly file for appeals, extensions etc. The legal fees must be staggering by this point. What I'm saying is, our little group of home owners can't afford these sorts of fees. Is there a way (state representation?) for us to be represented without losing our shirts?

edited with additional information: Our Township Solicitor is involved.. just ineffective so far
 
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bobr

Junior Member
In other words, our choice is to take the funds from our neighborhood (middle class.. not rich by any means) and fight a billion dollar organization? It's not even worth the fight, we'll run out of funds before the fight has begun.

Is that our only option?

Anyone else agree/disagree?
 

FarmerJ

Senior Member
Have you ever asked media like Tv consumer help desk to review all your information and see if there is any way to air it , maybe then the concrete plants owners might be more willing to act on the noise level when faced with bad press.
 

LindaP777

Senior Member
Have you ever asked media like Tv consumer help desk to review all your information and see if there is any way to air it , maybe then the concrete plants owners might be more willing to act on the noise level when faced with bad press.
Good advice!
 

MIKE_G

Member
Tree Saplings are less than 5 for a buck from your local conservation agency.
Not sure of the spellling of the perp? Find out and shout out!
Run for supervisor!
Vote 4 ...
 

justalayman

Senior Member
Questions:
- Have you seen this issue before (different than a noisy neighbor.. this is a big tax base/employer)
- Is our township powerless as they seem to be? or just inept?
- If inept, any recourse we can take?
- Any other general advice or things our group should look into?
yep

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Once cars are crushed, they’re shipped off to a recycling center where they are shredded and separated into small pieces, which are then sorted into various metals. The largest shredder in the world is used by Sturgis Iron & Metal of Elkhart, Indiana. The machine is so big, it isn’t measured in tons, but acres. It uses an 8,000-horsepower electric motor to drive a massive rotor that spins hammers at 175 mph, reducing six pre-crushed cars per minute into fist-sized metal chunks [Source: Buffalo News]. The shredder is so powerful, the hammers must be turned or replaced almost daily because of the wear and tear they receive, and it sits on special dampeners to prevent seismic vibrations in the surrounding area.

http://www.wsbt.com/news/local/8810867.html

http://www.goshennews.com/business/local_story_295103730.html

http://www.sturgis-iron.com/shredder/sh_what.html

The city has fined them multiple times. The company installed a berm to help buffer the noise. One big problem that you do not have are the explosions from LP tanks in the cars. They could be heard a mile away sometimes.

The problem is moot for the moment as Sturgis Iron and Metal has filed bankruptcy and has suspended all activities.
 

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