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10-29-2008, 06:54 AM
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| | | Can we sellers sue ebay on the last disruptive ridiculous policies ?
Some years ago I figure out eBay uses some search add ons in their main server to make in the global search area to make some products and stores be invisible during certain times.Sellers who are not viewed no matter how good products they have and price, they have to post again and again, which will make more profits for eBay and not for the sellers.
This year eBay stated that sellers could not put feedback negative to the buyers also created a 5 star system to get comments from the buyers, which in a moment was fine, but then created 2 new strategist environments.
The 5 star system was called DRS. And according to the measure of that DRS the sellers appear or not in eBay search, making officially the manipulation they have done for years and kind of “ LEGAL “, until which point is legal, is what I want advice on. The sellers do not have chance against unscrupulous buyers, also buyers that do not pay can put feedback and ruin reputation and lately “ the presence of a seller in the search lists “. EBay created a new system to quality power sellers and give them “DISCOUNTS” only if the DRS and presence online is perfect or more than 4.6 on a 5.0 max points. I am a 4.2 to 4.5 type of student from University and I think I was doing great at school. And demand a 4.6 on 5.0 and all those be conditional to have the chance to be in search lists, is not already the 10% in listing fee and more than 12 % eBay makes in each product sale enough to appear in search lists? It is not what “POSTING” means?
Do you think we have a case to sue DRS EBay system?
The less, each seller appears in search lists the more they have to spend on advertising and relisting fees. Even with the several store system I use, they let people without pay to leave feedbacks and affect people DRS, I think eBay needs to be stopped and those policies.
Thank you so much for the readers |
10-29-2008, 10:14 AM
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| | | There does not seem to be a breach of contract, nor is there any tort. Your recourse is to use a different website to sell your stuff.
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10-29-2008, 10:32 AM
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| | | You can't sue eBay because you don't like the rules. Remember, it's there game, they can make the rules. You have no legal right to tell them how to run their business, they are not violating any laws either. What you need to do is learn how use the current system to your advantage. I am not a power seller, I have an eBay store with a few hundred items and I run about 20 to 50 auctions a week. I have never had a problem with my listings not showing up in searches. My invoice included in each purchase thanks the customer and reminds them of the 5 star service I provided to them. I ship items within 24 hours of payment and I charge actual shipping costs.
As for your situation, go into the eBay communities and read the forums. Other sellers like you will tell you how to use the current system to your advantage. If they bring one of their live events near where you live, do attend. Besides eBay, there will be 50 or so other vendors offering their wares and services, many of them free, that you can use. A lot of things that eBay charges extra I get free. Up to 24 pictures, subtitles, more than 1 category, it's all free for me.
Instead of whining and crying, get yourself an eBay education. You will be surpised how much easier things can be.
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10-29-2008, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by IntelliXun  Some years ago I figure out eBay uses some search add ons in their main server to make in the global search area to make some products and stores be invisible during certain times.Sellers who are not viewed no matter how good products they have and price, they have to post again and again, which will make more profits for eBay and not for the sellers.
This year eBay stated that sellers could not put feedback negative to the buyers also created a 5 star system to get comments from the buyers, which in a moment was fine, but then created 2 new strategist environments.
The 5 star system was called DRS. And according to the measure of that DRS the sellers appear or not in eBay search, making officially the manipulation they have done for years and kind of “ LEGAL “, until which point is legal, is what I want advice on. The sellers do not have chance against unscrupulous buyers, also buyers that do not pay can put feedback and ruin reputation and lately “ the presence of a seller in the search lists “. EBay created a new system to quality power sellers and give them “DISCOUNTS” only if the DRS and presence online is perfect or more than 4.6 on a 5.0 max points. I am a 4.2 to 4.5 type of student from University and I think I was doing great at school. And demand a 4.6 on 5.0 and all those be conditional to have the chance to be in search lists, is not already the 10% in listing fee and more than 12 % eBay makes in each product sale enough to appear in search lists? It is not what “POSTING” means?
Do you think we have a case to sue DRS EBay system?
The less, each seller appears in search lists the more they have to spend on advertising and relisting fees. Even with the several store system I use, they let people without pay to leave feedbacks and affect people DRS, I think eBay needs to be stopped and those policies.
Thank you so much for the readers | **A: you can just stop using ebay. |
10-29-2008, 03:00 PM
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| | | I understand the frustration, having started with eBay when I was 17 (I know, supposed to be 18, this was back in 1998) and have seen the changes. Buyers basically hold the trump card and we sellers can no longer even leave a comment to let others know the buyer doesn't pay. Leaving feedback (which will count positive) stating the buyer doesn't pay can get you banned. But we have no legal options. |
10-29-2008, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ariastar I understand the frustration, having started with eBay when I was 17 (I know, supposed to be 18, this was back in 1998) and have seen the changes. Buyers basically hold the trump card and we sellers can no longer even leave a comment to let others know the buyer doesn't pay. Leaving feedback (which will count positive) stating the buyer doesn't pay can get you banned. But we have no legal options. | You can't leave negative feedback but you can leave a non paying bidder strike. 2 of these and most most folks cannot bid for a while. I have my settings set to reject any bidder with 1 non paying bids. I get a couple messages a week from people that want to bid on my stuff but can't.
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10-30-2008, 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by racer72 You can't leave negative feedback but you can leave a non paying bidder strike. 2 of these and most most folks cannot bid for a while. I have my settings set to reject any bidder with 1 non paying bids. I get a couple messages a week from people that want to bid on my stuff but can't. | eBay now lets you reject bidders with a single strike?! Since when? Once upon a time the option was to bar someone with negative feedback, but fat lot of good that did if someone had three positive and two negatives for not paying. |
10-31-2008, 04:01 AM
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| | | About other websites.
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Originally Posted by tranquility There does not seem to be a breach of contract, nor is there any tort. Your recourse is to use a different website to sell your stuff. | We have 30 shops online and 5 websites, that is not the problem, but the DRS system was upgraded without notice and all the feedback thing, this is more an upset post than a " we do not have resources post "
Thank you so much for your comment. |
10-31-2008, 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by racer72 You can't sue eBay because you don't like the rules. Remember, it's there game, they can make the rules. You have no legal right to tell them how to run their business, they are not violating any laws either. What you need to do is learn how use the current system to your advantage. I am not a power seller, I have an eBay store with a few hundred items and I run about 20 to 50 auctions a week. I have never had a problem with my listings not showing up in searches. My invoice included in each purchase thanks the customer and reminds them of the 5 star service I provided to them. I ship items within 24 hours of payment and I charge actual shipping costs.
As for your situation, go into the eBay communities and read the forums. Other sellers like you will tell you how to use the current system to your advantage. If they bring one of their live events near where you live, do attend. Besides eBay, there will be 50 or so other vendors offering their wares and services, many of them free, that you can use. A lot of things that eBay charges extra I get free. Up to 24 pictures, subtitles, more than 1 category, it's all free for me.
Instead of whining and crying, get yourself an eBay education. You will be surpised how much easier things can be. | You rock but I was an ebay teacher in USA, in the old times when was fair and square and came to china to help the chinese into the world online system, it is not about not having means, they have hundreds of websites and options, and I proved when I left ebay that the search engine is tained, with the DRS they just made it " public and legal " is what upsets me. But the education is here, and we have the sales and everything, I am just against the DRS system, for USA and other countries is easy to appear locally, is not the case of others in inter connecting system called " cross border " , And still the shops I managed in USA are great, but you ship the next day and is locally, internationally there are many other factors, including thievery, delay in planes and other stuff that no matter how big , intelligent, operational effective is the seller, cannot avoid. So this response do not apply for everyone, just for local ( ibid national - taking the United States of America as one republic with not state borders and unpaired laws ) which is your case.
Thanks so much for this comment. |
10-31-2008, 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by racer72 You can't leave negative feedback but you can leave a non paying bidder strike. 2 of these and most most folks cannot bid for a while. I have my settings set to reject any bidder with 1 non paying bids. I get a couple messages a week from people that want to bid on my stuff but can't. | In the last ebay convention upon complains from sellers, they will change the feedback withdrawal system again into a " your buyer can change it only " system, still the DRS is a mess for international sellers, however we can ban from buying people with even 2 strikes in 1 year, the DRS appreciation is a subjective system which is affecting the international ( not local or national ) references for search into items. |
10-31-2008, 04:10 AM
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| | | About the changes.
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Originally Posted by ariastar eBay now lets you reject bidders with a single strike?! Since when? Once upon a time the option was to bar someone with negative feedback, but fat lot of good that did if someone had three positive and two negatives for not paying. | They said the buyers were treat by sellers leaving negative feedback as response to negative feedback, but let's think about it...
the power seller new discount depends on being power seller, search listing ( rising - standad or lower ) depends on DRS which if you are not 4.6 will damage your powerselling that wont give you discount which also wont allow to have better fees for relisting.
This is made by a " game theory " mathematician, is connected and interactive. It is not like, let's change the rules, is " let's make more money and make sellers have hard time "
as they are " buyer " oriented , they think they are so popular always will have sellers, they are totally into " get "IT "on ebay " policy , which leaves the sellers in the limbo. That is the reality. |
10-31-2008, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by HomeGuru **A: you can just stop using ebay. | You can still stop using soap with chemicals that will damage your body in the long run, but you use it , just because is a good advantage for you be clean... |
10-31-2008, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by IntelliXun You can still stop using soap with chemicals that will damage your body in the long run, but you use it , just because is a good advantage for you be clean... | Very true...and you accept the inherent risks.
Or, you find another soap that is more to your liking... 
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11-01-2008, 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Zigner Very true...and you accept the inherent risks.
Or, you find another soap that is more to your liking... | As I said before, we are like the hookers of the soap, use to many, but some times those inherent risks just go to your brain and make you think you need to do something about it, like think you can bring more animals to the Gorgoza park in Africa. It is like being Greenpeace denouncing those risks in the soap. I mean if a soap change suddenly the composition , or suddenly someone add melamine to birds food and then subsequently, SUB, not Pre-Sequently the eggs will come tainted (ACTUAL CASE) then has to be something illegal about it, as is a subsequent not announced in the preconditions.
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