Found a scammer online, need advice!

[Awerac95]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Indiana

Hi everyone.

I am seeking advice regarding a scammer, and what legal actions are possible to take.

I have confirmed that a buyer/seller/trader, labeled a "legit" person to deal with, is a scammer.

By all means, I did not want my accusations to be baseless, so in the past few weeks I've been asking around, gathering information and proof to confirm my suspicions of this person, regarding her protocol when it comes to buying, selling, and trading Korean pop merchandise. The product may seem lackluster to you, but to all the people affected, it has really hurt. We really need advice.

Together with my team, and a handful of other people that at the moment choose to stay anonymous, I have created two evidence lists (200ish pages total) to prove that this individual hasn't been truthful towards the people she has had transactions/trades with and is indeed scamming people (26 known cases, 36 "lost" packages, accumulation of around $500 "lost" (stolen) if items were translated to money.)

The following documents may overwhelm you with the sheer number of pages. But let me say that the first pages on each document summarizes everything up, while everything else following holds the detailed accounts, including conversations had and the picture proof. The second document shows each deal in what we believe to be chronological order, showing double dealings, fraud, and money issues.

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Basically, her story is that she claims that the mail to and from her gets lost on both ends, and that there is nothing she can do. But we have solid proof that she isn't sending her end of the trade out, as well as lying as though she did not receive her end. (We know this because she offers items that she hasn't "received").

And in advance, I have confronted the individual multiple times before, even honestly asking her if she's a scammer. She refused of course, and I wanted to believe her, but so many things did not add up. I tried to talk to her one more time (yesterday) before I posted this. She did not respond, even though she was responding to others.
I tried to make the document as clear as possible. If any one of you has a question, I'll try to clear some things up.

The thing is, she is a 17 year old minor who lives in Canada. The other problem is that she has scammed so many people, all over the world: The US, The Netherlands, France, Germany to name a few. So many people have been victimized by her, and we all want our rightful items or other compensation.

What is there to do?

Please share some advice to help 26+ people to gain some sort of justice.

 

[Zigner]

What is the name of your state (only U.S. law)? Indiana

Hi everyone.

I am seeking advice regarding a scammer, and what legal actions are possible to take.

I have confirmed that a buyer/seller/trader, labeled a "legit" person to deal with, is a scammer.

By all means, I did not want my accusations to be baseless, so in the past few weeks I've been asking around, gathering information and proof to confirm my suspicions of this person, regarding her protocol when it comes to buying, selling, and trading Korean pop merchandise. The product may seem lackluster to you, but to all the people affected, it has really hurt. We really need advice.

Together with my team, and a handful of other people that at the moment choose to stay anonymous, I have created two evidence lists (200ish pages total) to prove that this individual hasn't been truthful towards the people she has had transactions/trades with and is indeed scamming people (26 known cases, 36 "lost" packages, accumulation of around $500 "lost" (stolen) if items were translated to money.)

The following documents may overwhelm you with the sheer number of pages. But let me say that the first pages on each document summarizes everything up, while everything else following holds the detailed accounts, including conversations had and the picture proof. The second document shows each deal in what we believe to be chronological order, showing double dealings, fraud, and money issues.

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Basically, her story is that she claims that the mail to and from her gets lost on both ends, and that there is nothing she can do. But we have solid proof that she isn't sending her end of the trade out, as well as lying as though she did not receive her end. (We know this because she offers items that she hasn't "received").

And in advance, I have confronted the individual multiple times before, even honestly asking her if she's a scammer. She refused of course, and I wanted to believe her, but so many things did not add up. I tried to talk to her one more time (yesterday) before I posted this. She did not respond, even though she was responding to others.
I tried to make the document as clear as possible. If any one of you has a question, I'll try to clear some things up.

The thing is, she is a 17 year old minor who lives in Canada. The other problem is that she has scammed so many people, all over the world: The US, The Netherlands, France, Germany to name a few. So many people have been victimized by her, and we all want our rightful items or other compensation.

What is there to do?

Please share some advice to help 26+ people to gain some sort of justice.

Contact the Canadian authorities.

I've edited out your links - they're really not proper, nor are they necessary here.

 

[LdiJ]

Contact the Canadian authorities.

I've edited out your links - they're really not proper, nor are they necessary here.

I agree with this, but I will add that if we are talking about 26 people, with 500.00 worth of merchandise between the 26 of them, scattered in many different countries, and the alleged perpetrator being a minor, I don't know how interested you are going to get anyone in authority in prosecuting her. I am absolutely NOT excusing her, I am simply saying that the cost to the Canadian authorities to pursue her could be enormous, and they have to allocate their resources accordingly.

 

[Awerac95]

Contact the Canadian authorities.

I've edited out your links - they're really not proper, nor are they necessary here.

Ah, I understand. Thanks for editing!

 

[Awerac95]

I agree with this, but I will add that if we are talking about 26 people, with 500.00 worth of merchandise between the 26 of them, scattered in many different countries, and the alleged perpetrator being a minor, I don't know how interested you are going to get anyone in authority in prosecuting her. I am absolutely NOT excusing her, I am simply saying that the cost to the Canadian authorities to pursue her could be enormous, and they have to allocate their resources accordingly.

We are all just afraid that if she doesn't get some sort of real world punishment, her crimes may continue. We spread the word some more today, and now we have 30+ victims. It's kind of ridiculous. She hasn't responded to anyone, and shows no remorse.

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

Contact IC3. It is a federal agency for internet crime.
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

 

[quincy]

Because the young person who is alleged to be a scammer is located in Canada, it will Canada's laws that need to be considered not those of the US.

I would advise Awerac95 to be careful about leveling any online accusations against the girl, regardless of how many "pages of evidence" she may have gathered and how many "victims" she has located. Instead of playing detective, Awerac95 should contact the websites that handle the sales and file complaints about any transaction that has not been completed as agreed.

I agree with both Zigner and LdiJ that this does not seem to be a "crime" that will result in any federal investigation (unless the Korean goods being bought and sold are counterfeits - and then both the seller and the buyers could be in trouble).

 

[OHRoadwarrior]

IC3 will involve themselves in any internet action involving US citizens in the US.

 

[quincy]

IC3 will involve themselves in any internet action involving US citizens in the US.

This is incorrect.

IC3 will refer most complaints to state or local authorities to handle.

The crimes IC3 refers to federal authorities are ones like internet child pornography and counterfeiting rings.

Although any internet crime can be reported, the loss of $500 to a Canadian teenager, when this $500 is spread among several international buyers ... no. IC3 will at most refer the matter to Indiana authorities. And I doubt this would be high on the list of internet crimes that either Indiana or Canadian authorities will spend their resources investigating.

Here is a direct link to IC3: https://www.ic3.gov/faq/default.aspx

 

[eerelations]

She hasn't responded to anyone, and shows no remorse.

Internet scammers aren't the type of people to respond to complaints and/or feel remorse. They just don't. That's how they have the mental/emotional wherewithal to become scammers in the first place. So if you're hoping for a response or some remorse...well, it just isn't going to happen. Not ever. Sorry but that's the truth.

 

[Awerac95]

Internet scammers aren't the type of people to respond to complaints and/or feel remorse. They just don't. That's how they have the mental/emotional wherewithal to become scammers in the first place. So if you're hoping for a response or some remorse...well, it just isn't going to happen. Not ever. Sorry but that's the truth.

Ah, yes. I have figured as much. I guess the only thing we can do it prevent others from dealing with her. And if that even prevents one more scam from happening, I suppose I will be a happy camper.

 

[Awerac95]

Because the young person who is alleged to be a scammer is located in Canada, it will Canada's laws that need to be considered not those of the US.

I would advise Awerac95 to be careful about leveling any online accusations against the girl, regardless of how many "pages of evidence" she may have gathered and how many "victims" she has located. Instead of playing detective, Awerac95 should contact the websites that handle the sales and file complaints about any transaction that has not been completed as agreed.

I agree with both Zigner and LdiJ that this does not seem to be a "crime" that will result in any federal investigation (unless the Korean goods being bought and sold are counterfeits - and then both the seller and the buyers could be in trouble).

I apologize for "playing detective". It's just one thing led to another, and the dots kept connecting, and I wrote them all down, resulting in this whole catastrophe of finding out that she was not legit. People wanted answers, so I stepped up and began helping.

When posting anything about her, I would title it "report of possible scammer", or something of the likes, I never once called her out to be one. It was up for the community to decide.

However, I do believe we can firmly label her a scammer now. My team and I recently found some cases where the scammer provided some images as "proof" she had the items. With further investigation, we found that she took the pictures from other people and/or google. If the other 199 pages doesn't prove she is a scammer, the one page that shows she steals images and uses them as her own, is this not scamming behavior?

 

[quincy]

I apologize for "playing detective". It's just one thing led to another, and the dots kept connecting, and I wrote them all down, resulting in this whole catastrophe of finding out that she was not legit. People wanted answers, so I stepped up and began helping.

When posting anything about her, I would title it "report of possible scammer", or something of the likes, I never once called her out to be one. It was up for the community to decide.

However, I do believe we can firmly label her a scammer now. My team and I recently found some cases where the scammer provided some images as "proof" she had the items. With further investigation, we found that she took the pictures from other people and/or google. If the other 199 pages doesn't prove she is a scammer, the one page that shows she steals images and uses them as her own, is this not scamming behavior?

You and your "team" need to be very careful labeling anyone a "scammer" or a "possible scammer." It is NOT up to your online community to decide whether she is or not.

If you have a complaint about the transactions conducted with the Canadian girl, instead of spending time searching for clues and gathering "evidence," simply contact the website owner and report her. The web host can cancel the girl's account.

I recommend you and this community of disgruntled buyers just stop purchasing items from the Canadian and leave it at that. Find another source for the Korean pop merchandise you like to sell, trade and purchase.