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USPatriot

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What is the name of your state? Florida

I have never seen any case where the U.S. Supreme has decided that displaying the Confederate flag is not an act of treason, the U.S. Constitution provides, in pertinent part, "Treason against the United States shall only consist of levying war or in adhering to their Enemies..." If a person adheres to something, they support it or hold a firm belief in it. Displaying a flag is probably the most fundamental form of support, or demonstration of a firm belief in something.

It seems obvious, after reading the Constitution, that displaying the Confederate flag may be an act of treason.

This question is extremely important because the Confederate Battle Flag is tearing apart the very fabric of our society. Yet many Americans are ignorant of its impact and apathetic about the need to control this menace.

Defenders of the Confederate Battle flag argue that it is part of their heritage and is not harmful and thus should not be regulated or banned. But 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing, by terrorist Tim McVeigh, has shown the profound effects anti-American beliefs and symbols can have on human behavior.

The United States is the only country in the world that allows the rebel flag of a militant group of radical separatists to be displayed without punishment.

For decades, communities have struggled to define just what symbols are so offensive as to be legally obscene, and to delineate limits on the government's ability to regulate such symbols.

Courts have ruled that speech having even the slightest redeeming social importance -- unorthodox views, controversial views, even unpopular ideas hateful to the prevailing climate of public opinion -- have the full protection of the Constitution, unless excludable because they encroach upon the limited area of more important interests. But implicit in the history of the First Amendment is the rejection of allowing citizens to celebrate any act of treason against the United States as utterly without redeeming social importance.

Displaying a Confederate Battle flag is patently offensive because it affronts contemporary community standards relating to the description or representation of treason; and the symbol is utterly without redeeming social value.

While almost everyone would agree that merely categorizing of the Confederate Battle flag as "obscene" is insufficient justification for such a drastic invasion of personal liberties. Most people would discern that if the First Amendment means anything, it means that a State has no business telling a man, sitting alone in his own house, what symbols he may display or worship. Our whole constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds.
However, that man does not have the right to display that obscene symbol in plain view of the entire public, if that symbol violates community standards.

Nothing in the First Amendment requires that a jury must consider hypothetical and unascertainable "community standards" when attempting to determine whether certain symbols are obscene as a matter of fact. ... It is neither realistic nor constitutionally sound to read the First Amendment as requiring that the people residing in the city of Palm Coast accept public depiction of conduct found tolerable in rural and less sophisticated areas, such as Bunnell (where the Klan has historically had a presence).

Prohibiting the display of the Confederate Battle flag within residential zones or near churches, parks, or schools is justified, and would pass constitutional muster, because it is not primarily designed to prohibit the free expression of the content of the symbols, but rather designed to reduce the "secondary effects" of publicly celebrating treason on the surrounding communities, such as increased crime and terrorism.

Can you imagine children standing in a classroom citing the "Pledge of Allegiance" and then gazing out of their classroom window and seeing a symbol that violates that pledge of allegiance?
 


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Never answered on this site...

... before someone indicates that my question ISN'T unique, please know that I have thoroughly searched this site and the question has never been answered. I have not seen on this site or anywhere else where an authority has been cited indicating that the Confederate flag is protected speech.
 

xylene

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If you want to remove confederate flags or less realistically and importantly the flag elements (think Florida flag crossbuck) from display on public property and within offical symbols, like flags, seals, documents and icons you might have a tiny shred of a POLITICAL point

Otherwise. Ah a Private American can fly the Confederate Flag, the Soviet Flag, The Natzi Flag, Slap ETA bumper stickers all over their car, Drink till they are f*ed up at pro terrorist IRA themed bars (aka any REAL Irish Catholic bar), Reprogam their doorbell to ring the National Anthem of Saddam era Iraq, Wear a bin Laden halloween costume (and then be arrested by morons who decided the city had not been sued successfully for too long!)

So break your Yasir Arafat T-Shirt and say HOORAY FOR AMERICA!

:) :) :) :) :)
 
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Treason

The U.S. Constitution is unambiguous, in that it states that "adhering to the enemy" is an act of treason. The Confederate battle flag only existed as a tool to kill U.S. soldiers on the battlefied. When you display an enemy flag, you are "adhering to the enemy".

The **** flag, and many other offensive symbols, did not soley exist as a symbol of an enemy of the United States. There is a difference between the **** flag and the Confederate battle flag.

And does anyone really believe that it wasn't an act of treason to display the Confederatebattle flag in the late 1860's? There should not be any statute of limitations on treason. You couldn't celebrate it in 1865, and you shouldn't be able to celebrate it in 2007.
 
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USPatriot

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Natzi flag...

The word Na(t)zi is censored on this forum, but citizens are able to wave the Confederate flag? What is wrong with this picture?
 

xylene

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The U.S. Constitution is unambiguous, in that it states that "adhering to the enemy" is an act of treason. The Confederate battle flag only existed as a tool to kill U.S. soldiers on the battlefied. When you display an enemy flag, you are "adhering to the enemy".

The **** flag, and many other offensive symbols, did not soley exist as a symbol of an enemy of the United States. There is a difference between the **** flag and the Confederate battle flag.

And does anyone really believe that it wasn't an act of treason to display the Confederatebattle flag in the late 1860's? There should not be any statute of limitations on treason. You couldn't celebrate it in 1865, and you shouldn't be able to celebrate it in 2007.
This line of reasoning is ridiculous.

The CSA is abolished The flag has ZERO meaning as statement of allegance. A historical reinactor does not commit treason.

Mini-cooper enthusiats who fly the Union Jack are more commiting treason on your theory...

And your theory is WRONG.
 

xylene

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The word Na(t)zi is censored on this forum, but citizens are able to wave the Confederate flag? What is wrong with this picture?
This site is PRIVATE PROPERTY and we are guests.

N a z i is censored to prevent gratuitous name calling, and unthinking usage.

It it easy enought to overcome for the sake of historical discusions of the symbology of the National Socialist Party and movement.
 
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USPatriot

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This line of reasoning is ridiculous.

The CSA is abolished The flag has ZERO meaning as statement of allegance. A historical reinactor does not commit treason.

Mini-cooper enthusiats who fly the Union Jack are more commiting treason on your theory...

And your theory is WRONG.
So you honestly believe that Americans were free to fly the Confederate battle flag immediately after the civil war?

And it apparently had meaning to Tim McVeigh, who was known to display the Confederate flag and killed more than 150 people when he expressed his hatred of the U.S. government.
 
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HappyHusband

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And it apparently had meaning to Tim McVeigh, who was known to display the Confederate flag and killed more than 150 people when he expressed his hared of the U.S. government.
Lots of idiots attribute moronic ideas to otherwise valid symbols. For example, the National Socialists did not invent the swastika.
 

seniorjudge

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Sheesh, and they say we are still fighting the war!

Psst...SJ, a northern cannon factory wants to know the exchange rate for the CSA Dollar. Do you remember what rate we set at the last meeting?
I think that Henry Kissinger and his cabal set it to float to par or something like that.:D
 

janimal

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Displaying a confederate flag is treason?

So what do you suggest....should we send out law enforcement officers to catch these traitors? Seriously - how can you not see how ridiculous this is?

You also posted the question about a catholic veteran being able to sue an employer who sells items with the confederat flag on it. Absurd.

I sure hope this is for a homework assignment and you are not for real.

Don't watch "The Office" tonight. Character Michael Scott has a Union Jack flag on his desk in a cup - ban NBC for showing that traitor!!!
 
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