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06-09-2009, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim_bo  IGB, you and wireless should just get a room rather than hijack another thread. The OP came here for advice on how to deal with a cell phone ticket that has already been written.... he is NOT asking for advice on how to prevent getting one in the future. And furthermore, in my country, EVERYONE enjoys a presumption of innocence and deserves opportunity to mount a zealous defense in court. Those inconvenient things you guys call loopholes have a different name as well... they are called LAWS!!! The state can't expect to hold its citizens accountable for adhering to the law when they are in violation themselves. I know that's a tough concept for you two, but it's apparent that you are not here to help people in the first place.
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Please give ALL the details surrounding your ticket. The cell phone law in CA is just stupid and filled with inconsistencies (i.e. loopholes). Maybe you can take advantage of one of these if we know exactly what happened. | Jim,
Your sermon is dripping with hypocrisy mixed in with a big chunk of indecency (the "get a room comment") and that negates any benefit that anyone might get from it.
As for the rest of your speech, it is more of a political statement than anything else. If you wanna do something about the laws, save your breath here and contact your state legislature and discuss that with them instead. Otherwise, continuing to whine about it on an online legal forum is pointless!
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06-09-2009, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wirelessany1 It never ceases to amaze me. The OP comes for advice, and because that adivce is not what they want to hear, it is deemed useless. | The OP came here asking for advice on a ticket he already recieved. He did NOT ask for the "advice" you gave, which was for a possible future ticket. Quote:
I'm not the one who will have to fork out my hard earned money because of pure stupidity | This is exactly the problem. The OP is asking for help with an issue at hand and the only thing you can do is call him stupid. I'm not sure how that is supposed to be helpful, but I'm sure from your twisted perspective, it is. Quote: |
Some posters here will teach you how to get around the system.
| No... some posters here will actually HELP you to USE the system. If this weren't an inherent right to defendants, what would be the point of having a court system in the first place? Quote: |
Unfortunately our world is filled with characters like you and jimbo who look for loopholes instead of what is right.
| Once again, it is a twisted perspective that determines a defendant providing a defense in court to be "characters like you and jimbo who look for loopholes instead of what is right." In your opinion, what is right? Offer no defense? |
06-09-2009, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Got_Banned Jim,
Your sermon is dripping with hypocrisy mixed in with a big chunk of indecency (the "get a room comment") and that negates any benefit that anyone might get from it. | I'll simply refuse to consider any lecture from you concerning decency. I think that's about as kind as I can be. Quote: |
As for the rest of your speech, it is more of a political statement than anything else. If you wanna do something about the laws, save your breath here and contact your state legislature and discuss that with them instead. Otherwise, continuing to whine about it on an online legal forum is pointless!
| First, what makes you assume I haven't contacted my state legislature? Second, I think it is entirely appropriate to encourage people to hold the state accountable FIRST before it engages in holding its citizens accountable. The courts are exactly the right place to do this.
Contrarily, for you and Nanny to continue to beat people up who simply come here asking for help is pointless. That is assuming your point is not to encourage people to simply accept whatever the government says and to have no expectations for the government to meet even the lowest of standards. However, if that is your point, then I stand corrected. |
06-09-2009, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Zigner The cell phone law is pretty darn unambiguous. You made a claim but won't back it up. Ok. | I made a claim to the OP... not to you. |
06-09-2009, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim_bo When you get a cell phone ticket and ask for help, I'll be happy to respond to such a request from you. | How very trollish of you. Your willingness to help is so incredibly wonderful... NOT
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06-09-2009, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Wirelessany1 How very trollish of you. Your willingness to help is so incredibly wonderful... NOTB | A person like you refering to anyone as a troll is the height of irony. |
06-09-2009, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim_bo I'll simply refuse to consider any lecture from you concerning decency. I think that's about as kind as I can be. | You would learn something... Then again, we all know how stubborn you are!
And I wasn't lecturing, I was stating a obvious "fact"! Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_bo First, what makes you assume I haven't contacted my state legislature? | And he or she probably shined you on, and that's why you keep preaching the same sermon in the wrong venue! Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_bo Second, I think it is entirely appropriate to encourage people to hold the state accountable FIRST before it engages in holding its citizens accountable. The courts are exactly the right place to do this.
Contrarily, for you and Nanny to continue to beat people up who simply come here asking for help is pointless. That is assuming your point is not to encourage people to simply accept whatever the government says and to have no expectations for the government to meet even the lowest of standards. However, if that is your point, then I stand corrected. | Once again, you're wasting your breath!!!
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06-09-2009, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wirelessany1 The guy got great advice. The most obvious way to keep this type of situation is to abstain. You are so darn busy trying to get out of things by using loopholes that you forget the obvious.
It is against the law to hold the phone to your face, so just don't do it. It is against the law to drink and drive, so just don't do it. I could go on and on but anyone with an ounce of common sense should get the drift.
When we decide to step outside that box ~ pay the damned piper. It is called an opportunity cost. | My advice was to pay the ticket, albeit not the full amount until he can afford to do so. Previous comments by people who evidently agree that the guilty generally should be punished and that punishment teaches a lesson were not focused on helping the OP with his stated inability to pay. Would you rather he ignore the ticket? My hunch is that, without guidance, he'd do that.
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06-09-2009, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by I_Got_Banned You would learn something... Then again, we all know how stubborn you are!
And I wasn't lecturing, I was stating a obvious "fact"!
And he or she probably shined you on, and that's why you keep preaching the same sermon in the wrong venue!
Once again, you're wasting your breath!!! | For a person to accept criticism or advice, that person must have at least a shred of respect for the person delivering it. Therefore, YOU are wasting your breath! You have accomplished absolutely nothing in this thread other than beat up an OP who was simply asking for some help. Your habit of hijacking threads speaks volumes towards your real intent. I have no intention of changing you... my only intention is pointing out the obvious nature of your intent for others to see.
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06-09-2009, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim_bo For a person to accept criticism or advice, that person must have at least a shred of respect for the person delivering it. | Respect starts from within....
I rest my case!!!!
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