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    fds
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    unable to physically attach citation

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    VIOLATION OF SECTION MC 80.69BS

    The ticket is for street clean. I stopped for about 2 minutes without exiting car. spotted him writing ticket behind; I drove off. Got ticket in the mail.
    It lists that there is a film which I assume means he videotaped it.

    Did I park "by definition". Is there a way to dismiss through lack of VIN, etc.
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    Are we supposed to guess which state you are in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fds View Post
    The ticket is for street clean. I stopped for about 2 minutes without exiting car. spotted him writing ticket behind me and drove off. Got ticket in the mail.
    It lists that there is a film which I assume means he videotaped it.

    Did I park "by definition". Is there a way to dismiss through lack of VIN, etc.
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    Definitions might vary by jurisdiction. What code section were you cited for? And what city or county code was it, if not cited for a Vehicle Code section?

    HERE is the CVC defition for parking:

    463. "Park or parking" shall mean the standing of a vehicle,
    whether occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose
    of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or
    passengers.

    And,

    587. "Stop or stopping" when prohibited shall mean any cessation of
    movement of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except when
    necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with
    the direction of a police officer or official traffic control device
    or signal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fds View Post
    Is there a way to dismiss through lack of VIN, etc.
    He got the license plate number, which matched your vehicle description, right? In fact, the identity was so good, that they found the correct address to mail your citation, right? By your own admission, the lack of VIN is completely irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Got_Banned View Post
    Are we supposed to guess which state you are in?
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    VIOLATION OF SECTION MC 80.69BS

    Quote Originally Posted by CdwJava View Post
    Definitions might vary by jurisdiction. What code section were you cited for? And what city or county code was it, if not cited for a Vehicle Code section?

    HERE is the CVC defition for parking:

    463. "Park or parking" shall mean the standing of a vehicle,
    whether occupied or not, otherwise than temporarily for the purpose
    of and while actually engaged in loading or unloading merchandise or
    passengers.

    And,

    587. "Stop or stopping" when prohibited shall mean any cessation of
    movement of a vehicle, whether occupied or not, except when
    necessary to avoid conflict with other traffic or in compliance with
    the direction of a police officer or official traffic control device
    or signal.
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    Here is the section:

    SEC. 80.69. PARKING PROHIBITED OR LIMITED.

    Whenever, with reference to any street or portion thereof, the Department determines that: (1) the same is within a business district; or (2) because of proximity to a business district or center of employment; or (3) because of an unusual concentration of population; or (4) because vehicles which are six feet or more in height (including any load thereon) parked within 100 feet of an intersection limit the visibility of approaching traffic and thereby create a hazard; or (5) because of any other factor or condition, the unrestricted parking of vehicles has caused, or would necessarily cause, traffic congestion, create a hazard, detrimentally affect the public welfare, or deprive the public of the efficient use of available curb space, the Department is hereby authorized to install at any such place signs giving notice that no person shall stand, stop or park a vehicle except as provided on such signs. The Department is further authorized to include notice on any sign which prohibits the stopping or parking of vehicles, that vehicles parked or left standing in violation of such sign may be removed. (Amended by Ord. No. 161,645, Eff. 10/17/86.)

    (a) Stopping or Standing Prohibited. Whenever authorized signs are in place giving notice that stopping or standing is prohibited during such hours or on such days as are indicated on such signs, it shall be unlawful for any person to stop or stand or park any vehicle at any time during such hours or such days.

    (b) Parking Prohibited. Whenever authorized signs are in place giving notice that parking, as defined in Section 463 of the California Vehicle Code, is prohibited at any time or during certain hours, it shall be unlawful for any person to park any vehicle during such prohibited times, except as provided in Section 88.01.1 of this chapter. (Amended by Ord. No. 170,019, Eff. 10/21/94.)

    (c) Parking Time Limits. Whenever authorized signs are in place giving notice thereof, it shall be unlawful for any person to stop or stand or park any vehicle for a period of time in excess of the parking time limit indicated by such sign, except as provided in Section 88.01.1 of this chapter. (Amended by Ord. No. 170,019, Eff. 10/21/94.)

    (d) Limitation for Vehicles Six Feet or More in Height. Whenever authorized signs are in place giving notice thereof, it shall be unlawful for any person to park or stand a vehicle more than six feet in height, including any load thereon, within 100 feet of an intersection. (New (d) Added by Ord. No. 161,645, Eff. 10/17/86.)

    (e) Exceptions. The restrictions of this chapter shall not apply to taxicabs, sight-seeing automobiles, or automobiles for hire standing in any zone designated for their use pursuant to Section 80.66.1 during the hours specified in their respective permits issued by the Department. (Amended by Ord. No. 161,645, Eff. 10/17/86.)

    (f) Streets Withdrawn From Public Use. The restrictions and exceptions of this section shall apply, in addition to a street as defined by the Vehicle Code, or any portion thereof, to any street, roadway, way or place, or portion thereof, which has been withdrawn in whole or in part from public use. (Amended by Ord. No. 161,645, Eff. 10/17/86.)

    (g) Severability. If any subsection, sentence, clause, phrase or portion of this section is for any reason held to be invalid or unconstitutional by the decision of any court of competent jurisdiction, such decision shall not affect the validity if the remaining portions of this section. The Council of the City hereby declares that it would have adopted the section, subsection, clause, phrase or portion thereof, irrespective of the fact that any portion or more subsections, clauses, phrases or portions be declared invalid or unconstitutional. (Re-lettered by Ord. No. 161,645, Eff. 10/17/86.)

    So, it seems that if the location was properly signed, and you were not engaged in the actual loading or unloading of passengers or merchandise, then you are guilty of the offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CdwJava View Post
    So, it seems that if the location was properly signed, and you were not engaged in the actual loading or unloading of passengers or merchandise, then you are guilty of the offense.
    but I thought they played with the same rules as tag. If they don't actually touch you, close doesn't count
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    Quote Originally Posted by justalayman View Post
    but I thought they played with the same rules as tag. If they don't actually touch you, close doesn't count
    That was before digital cameras... Now they can simply drive by, snap pics and mail later...
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    Quote Originally Posted by justalayman View Post
    but I thought they played with the same rules as tag. If they don't actually touch you, close doesn't count
    Does marking the tailgate or trunk with a .40 caliber slug count as a "tag?"
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    Doesn't anyone here have any creative ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fds View Post
    Doesn't anyone here have any creative ideas.
    I thought CDWJava's idea about tagging your car with a 40 caliber round was creative.

    as far as the ticket goes; if it was properly posted, since you were clearly caught in the act, no. None at all. I do have a novel idea though. How about paying a ticket you legitimately earned?
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    The creative idea would be to pay the ticket. It's valid.
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